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post #1 of 6 (permalink) Old 04-16-2017, 12:36 AM Thread Starter
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My 2000 LHS needed new rear brake lines. I bought two 25 foot rolls of Nickel Copper line, 8 feet of gravel guard, the rubber hoses and some brake fluid. I brought it to my mechanic as I didn't have time. I asked him if he could change the front while he was in there so that I would not have to worry again about leaking brakes (I did the master cylinder and booster myself last summer).

Anyways, they had the car two days, the right rear caliper was leaking, so they changed that too.

When I went to pick it up, he said the fronts looked OK and didn't change them, he gave me back the front rubber hoses. I was a bit disappointed because I know they are rusted and would feel safer if they had been changed. The other part that bothers me is he didn't give me back the gravel guard, which is only for the right front tube and I got no leftover copper nickel line. My understanding is 50 feet is enough to do all 4 lines. (I don't see any of the gravel guard on the rear lines either)

Finally, they didn't remove the old lines and route the new ones using the clips and brackets. Instead, they followed the old lines and zip-tied the new ones to the brackets along the way in parallel. At the back, he zip-tied it to the rubber section of the fuel filler tube and then connected them to the proportioning valves. Is this normal and acceptable? Would this pass a safety inspection in Ontario? I noticed that on the highway when accelerating I now get a loud vibration for a couple of seconds and I think it is the sound of the lines vibrating somewhere against something.

I didn't think pulling the old lines would be hard and since it is the Copper Nickel, making the bends to follow the original path should have been easy no? Maybe an extra 1/2 of work no?

Usually the mechanic does good work and doesn't over charge, I am not sure what I should do.
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Not sure about passing safety in Ontario, but that is definitely NOT acceptable. I would be furious with the shop for doing that kind of hack job.

The original pre-bent brake lines are still available from the dealership, (include gravel guard, and all clips and brackets) and are relatively inexpensive; no need to make up lines and do a rig job like that--of course with what you provided them, they could have done it properly using the old brackets....You are correct, easy to remove the old lines, just cut them out in sections. Takes no time.

If I were you I'd have the car right back to that shop and make them fix it properly.


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Not sure about passing safety in Ontario, but that is definitely NOT acceptable. I would be furious with the shop for doing that kind of hack job.

The original pre-bent brake lines are still available from the dealership, (include gravel guard, and all clips and brackets) and are relatively inexpensive; no need to make up lines and do a rig job like that--of course with what you provided them, they could have done it properly using the old brackets....You are correct, easy to remove the old lines, just cut them out in sections. Takes no time.

If I were you I'd have the car right back to that shop and make them fix it properly.

Thanks, that's how I felt, but I just called two reputable shops around Ottawa and they stated that this is common-place and perfectly fine as long as the new lines are secured, cable tying to the old lines is fine. I guess that is why you do it yourself. Anyways, they do seem secure with no movement, so it'll just have to be on my 17 year old LHS... I will do the MC lines and fronts myself later this summer.
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Thanks, that's how I felt, but I just called two reputable shops around Ottawa and they stated that this is common-place and perfectly fine as long as the new lines are secured, cable tying to the old lines is fine. I guess that is why you do it yourself. Anyways, they do seem secure with no movement, so it'll just have to be on my 17 year old LHS... I will do the MC lines and fronts myself later this summer.
Reputable shop or not, thats a hack job. I would never allow them to do it.
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Does sound Hokey! I wouldn't allow it on my car...safety items are a big deal for me.
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Why did they have to do that? If something does not meet the standard regulations of the local state, they should have sought your approval before performing such a major hack. If anything bad happens to the mechanics of your car, I doubt you could even claim from your insurance because it might have been breached by the alteration. Try asking the shop to redo everything that they did, else do not pay a single cent for their service.
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