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2.7 Timing chain + Water pump.. Parts? Brands? Guides? Sprockets?

Soon, maybe next week I will be replacing my timing chain and water pump on my 2000 2.7(101,000).

1. Should I plan on replacing the guides and sprockets or just the chains and tensioner's?

2. Should I buy all mopar/dealership parts or are Advanced AP brand S.A. Gear or Rock autos Cloyes ok for the chain, tensioners etc.

3. What are the latest thoughts on waterpump brand? Gates? Dealership? or something else? (will be using zertec g-05 unless convinced otherwise for coolant)

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P.S. I know I have never posted pics of my car. Once I get this project done, I will wash and wax her for spring and take tons of pictures.


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I F@@CKING HATE DEALERSHIPS AHHHHHH...

I just called my local one and and they want 185 for the primary chain 177 for the primary tensioner 37 each for the secondary chains 92 each for the secondary tensioners and 192 for the water pump.... F@@CCCCKKKKKKKK THEM.
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Called rock auto the gates pump they sell is made in china and has a plastic impeller. 68.09 shipped
Also called Jeromy` at mopardiscountparts.com he said theirs is not the value line but didn't know if it were made in the US... he said he doubted that it was. 91.91 Shipped

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Have you tried local places like Advance Auto Parts?

I have a 2.7 intrepid too and was planning on doing the timing and pump. With the whole kit + the water pump (not sure if I need the whole kit?) it was going to be about $500, but at Advance with a 20% discount I save $100, making it $400, cheaper than the timing kit itself, and thus giving me a free water pump too.

Hoping to get it all done soon though, just turned over to 160k last weekend. Let me know how your repair turns out/what parts you needed...
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I'm a little unsure of the quality of advances stuff. I def. wont be getting my pump from there.
Do you have a 20% coupon code??
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I'm a little unsure of the quality of advances stuff. I def. wont be getting my pump from there.
Do you have a 20% coupon code??
retailmenot.com/view/advanceautoparts.com

Coupon: PS20

I personally never considered the quality of Advance or AutoZone parts. Parts are parts as far as I've ever been concerned. And most of the parts I get have warranties anyway.
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I just replaced the pump, main chain, sprockets,guides, and primary tensioner. I would recommend Mopar parts. I have worked in the auto industry in engineering, for the one of the big three and at suppliers, most of my life. There are good aftermarket parts but there are plenty of bad ones as well. I looked at it this way. This job is a pretty involved teardown. I paid the extra money for the Mopar parts in the hopes that they last a long time.

You are going to have to replace the chain and sprockets due to the change in the water pump design. You can get a kit that contains the Chain, Sprockets and Guides. Cheaper than buying them individually. The water pump and tensioner are extra. Also, pricing can very quite a bit from dealer to dealer. It is worth calling around. I found some that did not sell the kit.

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thats right,, the pump has been updated,, so ask for a 2002 pump, and yes you will have to replace the chain,, guides etc,,
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Mopar Timing Kit



$231.62 plus shipping.
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Plastic Guides??
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[/QUOTE] thats right,, the pump has been updated,, so ask for a 2002 pump, and yes you will have to replace the chain,, guides etc,, [/QUOTE]

I def. am replacing the chain and tensioner, but I wasn't sure if replacing the guides and sprockets was necessary.


Does anyone have a kit that they recommend??

Should I replace the secondary chains and tensioners??

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Plastic Guides??
That's what came in yours from the factory. You will be amazed at how *little* the guides are worn when you remove yours. I know I was amazed.

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I def. am replacing the chain and tensioner, but I wasn't sure if replacing the guides and sprockets was necessary.
Sprockets have to be changed if the chain and pump are of the new design - pitch is different. Like I said, guides wear very little, but they are in all the kits - they aren't adding any significant cost.

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Does anyone have a kit that they recommend??
OEM - that one that Grinker posted looks pretty good. It doesn't inlcude the primary tensioner though - separate item.
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What's that thing to the right of the water pump gasket (just below the cam sprocket)?
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Parts are parts as far as I've ever been concerned. And most of the parts I get have warranties anyway.
I would have to disagree with" parts are parts"...There are many manufacturers and many different quality differences in both OEM and aftermarket parts...For a lot of waterpumps and other parts that can be replaced external of the engine in a few hours and not damage other parts when they fail, quality and longevity is not of primary importance maybe.....On these particular parts I would lean toward OEM dealer parts for the main reason that they are the same parts that the Dodge dealer network must warranty as the whole car when the original engine warranty is in effect.....If one part fails all related parts are also warranted under the original warranty, so it makes sense that the quality of the OEM part may be better....Even though the warranty does not apply as replacement parts.

Aftermarket" lifetime"parts warranties are not a good indication of a part's quality...The warranty is more of an indication of the cost to manufacture vs. selling cost and likelyhood that part will be actually returned.....When you factor in the likely failure of other unrelated parts and the ownership of the car may change, they have a small percentage chance of actually replacing most parts they sell....

Since if the pump fails the only part that would be warranted would be the pump, not the other damage or labor to replace, in this particular engine I would recommend OEM parts..

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What's that thing to the right of the water pump gasket (just below the cam sprocket)?
It looks like the mounting bolt and spacer for the right side chain guide??
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