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what type of coolant?

i know this may sound like im a noob, but im just curious with the mopars...... what type of coolant can i run in it? i was planning on buying the premixed Prestone kind ( i think its green in color ) or should i buy mopar brand? i doubt it really matters as long as its that 50/50 ratio, am i correct on this? and secondly is there an easier way to filling the radiator, i.e. remove the driver side headlamp unit and fill from there or just fill using the res.?
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Not sure what the second-gens call for, but 50/50 premixes are a ripoff.

You basically get charged the same amount for half of the antifreeze...

A gallon of distilled water can be had for ~$1 at your local grocery store...so for the extra dollar, you can make 2 total gallons of your own mix.




Of course, it all depends on what the convenience of not having to premix is worth to you.
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The second generations came from the factory (at least the 02's and later, not sure on yours, check the manual) with the new 5 year/100,000 mile coolant (orange). If you want to stay with the original type, stay with that type of coolant. It is called HOAT (Hybrid Organic Acid Technology) and is designed to help extend coolant system life. Mopar calls it 5 year/100,000 mile Binterred coolant, and it runs about $20 a gallon from the dealer. You are not supposed to mix HOAT with regular coolant. If you want to change to regular coolant, you must completely flush the system before replacing. Some of the coolant companies offer HOAT and say it is safe for use in all vehicles. Whichever type you use, just buy the regular mix and buy some distilled water to make it a 50/50 mix.
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yeah i guess that makes sense. what would be the recomended way for a DIY'er to flush the coolant out?
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The second generations came from the factory (at least the 02's and later, not sure on yours, check the manual) with the new 5 year/100,000 mile coolant (orange). If you want to stay with the original type, stay with that type of coolant. It is called HOAT (Hybrid Organic Acid Technology) and is designed to help extend coolant system life. Mopar calls it 5 year/100,000 mile Binterred coolant, and it runs about $20 a gallon from the dealer. You are not supposed to mix HOAT with regular coolant. If you want to change to regular coolant, you must completely flush the system before replacing. Some of the coolant companies offer HOAT and say it is safe for use in all vehicles. Whichever type you use, just buy the regular mix and buy some distilled water to make it a 50/50 mix.
Its not good to change from what the factory fill was. Certain things in the cooling system, from my understanding, were designed for use with that particular coolant. Lubricants for the water pump and additives for seals. I could be wrong but that's what I've read over and over again. My '01 has the orange stuff in it also. Factory fill with 93K + miles on it. Car's due for inspection in May, will probably have it flushed and filled if I don't trade in first.
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when I had to replace my thermostat last year, I had the orange stuff in my system, what little of it left there was anyways....I had a complete flush out of the system and I noticed there was ALOT of sludge in the overflow tank and in the flush process alot of chunks of crap came out of there....anyhow, I put in the green prestone 50/50 mix that states its useable in ANY vechicle and have had no problems and its been over 15000 miles now....I just recently topped off the tank with the same prestone green stuff and did not notice the chunkage in the overflow tank at all this time....$5 a gallon vs $20 a gallon...hmmmmmmmmmmmmmm...
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Taken from the 2nd Gen FSM. Might want to pay close attention.

DESCRIPTION - ENGINE COOLANT
WARNING: ANTIFREEZE IS AN ETHYLENE GLYCOL
BASE COOLANT AND IS HARMFUL IF SWALLOWED
OR INHALED. IF SWALLOWED, DRINK
TWO GLASSES OF WATER AND INDUCE VOMITING.
IF INHALED, MOVE TO FRESH AIR AREA.
SEEK MEDICAL ATTENTION IMMEDIATELY. DO NOT
STORE IN OPEN OR UNMARKED CONTAINERS.
WASH SKIN AND CLOTHING THOROUGHLY AFTER
COMING IN CONTACT WITH ETHYLENE GLYCOL.
KEEP OUT OF REACH OF CHILDREN. DISPOSE OF
GLYCOL BASE COOLANT PROPERLY, CONTACT
YOUR DEALER OR GOVERNMENT AGENCY FOR
LOCATION OF COLLECTION CENTER IN YOUR
AREA. DO NOT OPEN A COOLING SYSTEM WHEN
THE ENGINE IS AT OPERATING TEMPERATURE OR
HOT UNDER PRESSURE, PERSONAL INJURY CAN
RESULT. AVOID RADIATOR COOLING FAN WHEN
ENGINE COMPARTMENT RELATED SERVICE IS
PERFORMED, PERSONAL INJURY CAN RESULT.
CAUTION: Use of Propylene Glycol based coolants
is not recommended, as they provide less freeze
protection and less boiling protection.
The cooling system is designed around the coolant.
The coolant must accept heat from engine metal, in
the cylinder head area near the exhaust valves and
engine block. Then coolant carries the heat to the
radiator where the tube/fin radiator can transfer the
heat to the air.
The use of aluminum cylinder blocks, cylinder
heads, and water pumps requires special corrosion
protection. Mopart Antifreeze/Coolant, 5
Year/100,000 Mile Formula (MS-9769), or the equivalent
ethylene glycol base coolant with hybrid organic
corrosion inhibitors (called HOAT, for Hybrid Organic
Additive Technology) is recommended. This coolant
offers the best engine cooling without corrosion when
mixed with 50% Ethylene Glycol and 50% distilled
water to obtain a freeze point of -37C (-35F). If it
loses color or becomes contaminated, drain, flush,
and replace with fresh properly mixed coolant solution.
The green coolant MUST NOT BE MIXED with
the orange or magenta coolants. When replacing coolant
the complete system flush must be performed
before using the replacement coolant.
CAUTION: MoparT Antifreeze/Coolant, 5
Year/100,000 Mile Formula (MS-9769) may not be
mixed with any other type of antifreeze. Doing so
will reduce the corrosion protection and may result
in premature water pump seal failure. If non-HOAT
coolant is introduced into the cooling system in an
emergency, it should be replaced with the specified
coolant as soon as possible.

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This has been discussed to the point of sillyness. Search is your friend. Mopar/dealer coolant or Zerex G-05 only.

Anything else will rot out the radiator, water pump, and seals......

The last time I bought a gallon of G-05 it cost exactly the same as 'conventional' GM and Ford coolants. So that $20 a gallon scare tactic is more sillyness.
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i just went to autozone and found some prestone orange extended life coolant, and searched the back with a fine tooth comb or just my calibrated eye! and noticed for 11 bucks it is certified by daimlerchrysler, and it also has the HOAT stuff that has been mentioned so i guess the only question left is how do we flush out the system? is there a nozzle piece that we put on our waterin hose and then attach it to the hose that comes off of the res.?
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