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MopeES
08-27-2001, 10:59 PM
Nice board, guys....

I bought Dad's '95 ES 3.5 when he got his PT last week. This thing is in pretty good shape inside and out with 108,000 miles.

Anyway, I can smell fuel fumes with that car running and for a short time after I shut it down. I'm pretty handy with cars, but I can't find anywhere where the fuel can be coming from.

I check the injectors, around where I think the fuel rail is and looked around the engine bay for anything that looked wet - found nothing!
My next thought was the the exhuast may be blown out somewhere, but I haven't crawled around under there to look yet.

btw, this thing is getting some TERRIBLE fuel milage... like about 90 miles on 1/2 tank... Is that normal? hope not!

I'm just hoping I don't have to pull the plenum off... :rolleyes:

thanks,
MopeES

matt22tec
08-27-2001, 11:19 PM
That is terrible mileage. I usually get 285 to 320 out of a full tank depending on highway driving and racing. :) Check all of you fuel hoses to your charcoal canister and al the hoses on you tank if you can get to them. I would look into that crappy fuel mileage though. Matt 97 3.5 ES

NCBrit
08-28-2001, 07:51 AM
There was a recall out for leaking o-rings on the injectors for these engines. If your Dad has owned the car from new, he probably had them replaced at the time of the recall, but its worth checking out.

Si
08-28-2001, 08:11 AM
Wasnt there a recall on fuel rails also? I would check the fuel presure also, cleaned out the injectors? and as mentioned before the fuel filter... Fuel pump etc...

Warlord187
08-28-2001, 08:31 AM
Lite a match and follow the flame trail to the source of the leakage!! :)

Disclaimer:
Warlord187 takes no responsibility for any actions taken by anyone who listens to my stupid ass! :D

P.S. Welcome to the boards! :)

NCBrit
08-28-2001, 08:33 AM
Yeah, fuel rails, thats the one I was referring too. Sorry for the confusion.

MopeES
08-28-2001, 10:28 AM
Okay, guys, thanks for the insight. It was suggested to me earlier that I check into the fuel rail recall, but not about the charcoal canister.

NCBrit,
I cannot see any fuel leaking from around any of the injectors themselves.

Si,
Is there a port on the fuel rail where I can hook up a pressure guage?

Warlord187,
I thought about the old match trick but the wife wants me to sign some paper that says I want 2,000,000 worth of life insurance before she shows me where she hid the matches...LOL!


I guess maybe I should get me a manual on this thing, eh?

thanks,
Mope

Si
08-28-2001, 10:38 AM
MopeES, Funny about the wife there :) BIG LOL! :)

I`ll have to look in my Haynes manual I dont own a 3.5 moter, just the 3.3, I`ll check for you tonight though where you can test the presure..

NCBrit
08-28-2001, 10:44 AM
There is a port that can be used for a fuel rail pressure test. The pipe extends from underneath the intake plennum, and can be found close to the thermostat housing.

This picture isnt too clear, but it does show the general area that you will find the test port in.

http://www.bspringall.com/fuel_pressure.gif

NCBrit
08-28-2001, 10:47 AM
MopES,

If you can't find a manual (I got mine from ebay) you might wan't to check out alldatadiy.com I got the picture from there. There is a bunch of useful information on there, and it is almost as good as having a manual. Sometimes better.

Si
08-28-2001, 10:48 AM
So if you want data from Alldata and you have a 3.5 go to NCBrit, if you have a 3.3 go to the other Brit Bitch me :)

MopeES
08-28-2001, 04:16 PM
NCBrit,

Thanks for the heads-up on the schematic. The picture looks pretty good from this end.

btw, What book did you get, Haynes, Chilton?

I'll see what I can do with it tomorrow afternoon and let you guys know what I come up with.

thanks,
Mope

MopeES
08-30-2001, 09:14 PM
Well, I couldn't find anything so I took it to my mechanic and he couldn't either... sheesh! The mechanic says he doesn't smell anything... I guess I'm crazy

thanks,
Mope

Si
08-30-2001, 10:10 PM
The mechanic obviously doesnt care... I did manage to find the Fuel test port, I doctored a pic of Rarewolfs Enginebay (Thanks dude!) :) Hope he doesnt mind, I dont have a 3.5.. if you go here (http://si.goisg.com/car/fuelport.jpg) you can see the pic.

I hope it helps you.

[ August 30, 2001: Message edited by: Si ]

NCBrit
08-31-2001, 07:41 AM
MopES,

I got the Haynes manual. I got it mainly becasue it has pictures. Everything else is about the same as you can find on Alldata.

MopeES
08-31-2001, 09:09 AM
Thanks for the picture, NCBrit.. But I already managed to find the test port.

Anyway, it's been raining here so I haven't been able to do anymore looking for myself.

I'm starting to think that what I'm smelling may have something to do with the catalitic converter...hmmmm.

thanks,
Mope

Squilliam
04-08-2013, 11:45 AM
MopES,

If you can't find a manual (I got mine from ebay) you might wan't to check out alldatadiy.com I got the picture from there. There is a bunch of useful information on there, and it is almost as good as having a manual. Sometimes better.

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cdmccul
04-08-2013, 12:06 PM
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