Any engineer types who have considered dropping a GEN1 3.5 or a GM 3.8 into a GEN2 Intrepid? Or how about just a Northstar and be done with it? Serious question. Driveon...

Not really. The 3.5L Magnum on the R/T is better than the GM 3.8 and the 1st gen 3.5L. I know the Grand Prix GTP is a little faster and that has the GM 3.8, but it's supercharged. As for the Northstar engines, I'm not sure they would fit. But I admit I don't know a hell of a lot about the Northstar engines.

I would be more interested in developing a supercharger/turbocharger for the Intrepid. I'm seriously thinking about doing that. But it's going to be a huge undertaking. http://www.stratusphere.org/ubb/smilies/cwm9.gif

I was looking at it from a cost point of view: a used 3.5 or 3.8 in a base Intrepid would make a nice sleeper, if conversion costs weren't out of sight. Driveon...

If you could find one cheap enough, I could see your point. I would assume they would fit.

i want to find a wrecked intrepid r/t, take the 3.5 out and put it in my car, then take my old 3.5 out and put it in my roomie's lebaron. <g>

It's not near as easy to frankenstein modern cars as it is with pre 1980 cars. There's just way too many sensors and other computer-controlled junk to deal with. Damn technology! And if you're thinking about bastardizing a Dodge with an engine from a different make, you'll also have to change the entire drivetrain with it. If you want a powerful family car, just buy a GTP. You'll save yourself alot of money and headaches. Betteryet, buy an old musclecar and make that your project. That way, you still have a car to drive while you wait for your "toy's" engine to be balanced and blueprinted, etc.

As far as the supercharger is concerned there was one designed for the 2.7 liter engine. Problem is that it won't fit in the engine bay of the Intrepid and Dodge hasn't made it avaliable to the public yet. It was designed for some future cars coming out in a year or two.

Vortec will design one for you but it will cost a pretty penny. Not really worth it at that point.

Yup, the 2.7 for the Crossfire is supposed to be supercharged...but who knows???

what are the stats on the GTP? does it have the supercharged 3.8? i know GTs are slow and GTPs are faster but how much faster?

(this is for the pontiac man ;-) )

I ain't the Ponitac man, but I do know that the GTP has the supercharged 3.8 and it a little faster than an R/T. It ain't no Viper or Corvette, but it's pretty darn quick. As for the exact stats, I'm not sure. I do know it has 240hp.

the GTP is a full second faster in the 1/4 mile when it's stock, and can be easily modified to run low 14's, and even 13's with alot of mods. An un-modified GTP on the highway isnt any faster than an R/T, but then again, now that 2KWK4U is modified he kicks my butt on the highway too. The GTP's just have way too much torque off the line, we can't touch 'em.

Agreed, i have personally seen a GTP run a high 14 at the track with light modifications. Don't ask me to elaborate cause that's all I could get the guy to tell me. I just met him and he wasn't ready to "share" :p But the GTP is no where near as nice looking and feelin as the Trep R/Ts, it just has more kick in the pants power. Dodge is all about design and GM is all about the motor.

Buschman

....and Kia's all about nothing! ;)

this brings up another question - how fast can a stock r/t run a 1/4?

The GTP is factory rated at 240HP/280TQ at the crank. It's the same old pushrod 3800 V6 that's been around for ages, and it's bulletproof. The supercharger provides a nice broad torque curve, and that's where its advantage is on low end acceleration. Also, for as little as 60 bucks, a smaller pulley can be thrown on the s/c for an additional 3-3.5 PSI of boost netting another 30HP at the wheels and additional torque to go along with it. Stock 1/4 mile times vary from 15.2xx to 14.3xx (very few). I have a factory freak that ran 14.4's consistantly in stock form. As for "alot of mods" to get into 13's, I only have a pulley and exhaust work done as power adders, but I fully expect to run 13's once I get back to a track that I can hook up on! It's either that or I'll wind up getting a smaller pulley and fuel pressure regulator to run 13's here (spinning for 1/8 mile). Or maybe just the Limited slip differential that's coming soon, or the cam that's in the works. That's another thing about GTP's... aftermarket!

As for styling, that's a matter of opinion. You all obviously chose Intrepids for your own reasons, and I respect that. I'm not about to get into a flame war on a Dodge board about who builds better widgets!

Bboucher's stock R/T ran right about 16.00 stock before it loosened up. Now with a few thousand miles on it, I believe his best is a 15.65 and his best trap speed is 90.0MPH. As far as I know, he's the only one with LEGITIMATE times. All you G-Tech'ers need to get out to a strip and let us see some time slips!

Well We "Intrepids" look better than the Pony "GPT" :D

I respect the GTP.

Widgets. God it's been a long time since I heard anyone use that word! :D

So what sort of times do stock and light-mod 2.7 and 3.2s run? Driveon...

Hey!!! Member 232 (unknown) contact Randy (Intrepid98) so he can fix your profile...it got deleted before the last backup.

I'm not buying no mid 14 stock GTP. You had to do something to it. V8 RWD Mustang GT's run mid to high 14s. GTPs are fast, but they aren't that fast. You need to mod that car to get it into the 14s and heavily mod it to get it into the 13s

Just my opinion and expereince, nothin personal.

Buschman

I'll vouch for 2KWK on his mid 14 runs stock. I've seen his car before he modded it and he has plenty of video of his mid 14 runs, even a 14.1 I beleive one time. I'm sure that LOTS of it has to with what track you're running at. The one here in hawaii is at 3 tenths slower than most mainland tracks. As for the mustag gt's, the newer ones are pretty slow unless they get some mods so I have no problem beleiving (I've seen it alot) that a Grand Prix GTP can beat them.

Originally posted by Buschman:
I'm not buying no mid 14 stock GTP. You had to do something to it. V8 RWD Mustang GT's run mid to high 14s. GTPs are fast, but they aren't that fast. You need to mod that car to get it into the 14s and heavily mod it to get it into the 13s

Just my opinion and expereince, nothin personal.

Buschman


Buschman,

You have a right to call BS, but I stand by my mid 14sec stock times. OK, well I removed the spare tire/jack from the trunk and pulled the air filter (there's a screen on the MAF to catch large particles as a backup). I ran those times both at Capitol raceway (near you in Crofton) and at Gateway international raceway in St. Louis, MO. Mustang GT's are fast, but they aren't as fast as they should be. Especially in '99 when my car was new.

While we're on the subject of calling BS on things we know little about, just how many first gen Intrepid R/T's were produced? I've never heard of such an animal.

I hope this doesn't sound like a retaliation/flame, I just like mutually respectable banter once in awhile. If you folks want me to stop talking so much about my car on a Dodge board, just let me know.

No way! Then I can't talk about my Fiero! :)

MadTxn,

I kind of thought that R/T sticker looked like it was from a Neon... I just wanted to hear Buschman tell us that he has the *ONLY* first gen Intrepid R/T... Now I see that he doesn't because there's one out there with a high rise cowl induction hood and slick purple paint (different badges, tho).

Buschman,

Nice Firehawk, man! I hope you don't mind me razzing you a little on your intrepid. It looks nice too. I'm just giving you trouble b/c you claim it to be an R/T without really letting people know it's a one of a kind.

Both,

I'll be living back in Maryland again soon. You sound like a couple of cool guys. Maybe I'll get to meet you at capitol raceway next summer! MadTxn, we gotta get more Trep R/T's on the track other than just Bboucher's and Buschman, I'd like to see what that 'Hawk'll do!

[ August 26, 2001: Message edited by: Intrepid98 ]

Originally posted by 2KWK4U:

I'm just giving you trouble b/c you claim it to be an R/T without really letting people know it's a one of a kind.


I don't think he ever tried to hide that it wasn't really an R/T. He told us right away in another post :)

My apologies, I never saw that post/thread about Buschman's Intrepid not being a genuine R/T. :o

Intrepid98, What did you edit on my last post? I can't even tell... just says "edited by intrepid98" And what happened to MadTxn's post with the picture of that hideous looking concoction?
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[ August 26, 2001: Message edited by: 2KWK4U ]

Originally posted by 2KWK4U:

Intrepid98, What did you edit on my last post? I can't even tell... just says "edited by intrepid98" And what happened to MadTxn's post with the picture of that hideous looking concoction?
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[ August 26, 2001: Message edited by: 2KWK4U ]

I edited the part about MadTxn's post. I really didn't think it was appropriate to rip into another members intrepid like that. All it's gonna do it get someone pissed and start a fight. Hope you don't mind :)

Eh, whatever you say man, you're the moderator. If there were a GP out there that looked like that, the guys on the GP board would tear him a new a-hole. But as I said before, this is a more mature crowd and that's why I like your forum. If the guy is in fact a member of the forum, I apologize for calling your vehicle a monstrosity (or something to that effect). I respect everyone's right to do whatever they choose with their vehicle and their money... I just don't always share the same flair for styling. Different strokes for different folks, right? :D

I didn't think that guy was a member. If I offended, I apologize. I don't think there is anything wrong with Buschman's car. I only said what I did because he admitted it when he first posted. It actually looks great. I pulled the pic of the reddish car off a yahoo club.

[ August 27, 2001: Message edited by: MadTxn ]

Originally posted by 2KWK4U:
Buschman,

Nice Firehawk, man! I hope you don't mind me razzing you a little on your intrepid. It looks nice too. I'm just giving you trouble b/c you claim it to be an R/T without really letting people know it's a one of a kind.
[ August 26, 2001: Message edited by: Intrepid98 ]


That's the cool thing. I don't have to tell them it's an original. That R/T does it's own talkin :)

To clear things up I had my R/T LONG before the second gens ever came out. I used to work at a dodge dealer and the second the treps rolled off the truck I new they were badasses! At that time the Viper had an R/T and so did the Stealth. I wanted to take the Trep and make it even better. So that's where it all came from. I have seen a couple Treps copy my car(as best they could) and who knows maybe a Dodge bigwig saw mine and decided the 2nd gens needed one :) I know, it's a long shot, but one can dream :)

Thanks for the compliments on my Hawk. it is a total monster! I just posted some new pics of it(including the LS1). Check out my sig.

Buschman

Man, find the RED R/T badging from the late 60s, early 70's. That for sure will further enhance your car!!!
Danny
Capitalcity R/T

He actually "inspired" many of us 1st Gen owners to "soup up" to an R/T. :D