alternate title where do I draw the line, spending on someone elses car?
this involces a 112K mile 02 Trep with (ugh) a 2.7. I will warn you it could get long (sorry no pix to cheat your way thru with)
IT had set for over a year, before I finally cave and tell him I'd "look" at it (I really wanted nothing to do with it) I told him I "had heard of" peope dropping 3.2s/3.5s in place of 2.7s but tell him I HAVE NEVER DONE THIS SWAP MYSELF
so, he goes to the JY and buys a 3.2 from a '00 that he wants me to install he thought the car was an '00, too) No; the car's a '02! crap ,the motor he got won't work; good riddance (nother story as the engine wasn't as promised from the yard anyway) but it takes him a month or so to get his $$ back for it; the JY was cool about it, especially being his mistake they got him what he had asked for> but they never had enough in the drawer at any given time so Larry had to go back 3-4 times over a period of a couple weeks to get back all but $100 restock fee (that story could have ended much worse than that)
I get it apart and see the water pump sprocket has come loose from its shaft but the engine is clean as a whistle, NO sludge at all; so I figure we have hope of salvaging this thing; knowing we may wind up with the same $$ as the junkyard wanted for that 3.2 but know what we had;
I pulled the heads and sent em in, knowing it had run hot, and timing was off (was worried about valves being bent and heads warped)
I ordered a PILE from Rock auto (chain kit, waterpump, plugs, T stat, belts, hoses and most of the gaskets; $650 worth at their prices all 1st rate recognized name brands, I hate no name crap ) got some leftovers from a dealer buddy (gave me 2 left head gaskets and no rights, didnt know they were different since i'd never worked on a 2.7 before) Slowly, I put it all back together (reluctance/unfamiliarity plus owner "not in hurry")
I had to buy head gaskets, water neck, the correct plugs (thanks for wrong ones, rock auto) an O2 sensor and other odds and ends locally, plus I bought the stop block from "fix2.7.com" I also found burnt apart wires to crank sensor and oil sending unit (extended, soldered/heat shrinked), and had to take the 2.5 yo stone cold dead battery back to Walmart and exchange it on warratty (wouldn't even take a charge) and more that I am probably forgetting;
I got it started the 1st time last nite; the fact that it started immediately and smoothly was a big relief... It did take a lil longer for the lifters to all go quiet than I thought it might; (they finally did) motor is now quiet as a running engine can possibly be; I found a CEL due to that o2 sensor I mentioned above; it too had a cut wire. replaced that today; reset the light and it stayed out. I also went junkyarding in 24*F weather today to get an air cleaner top and all the body bolts/clips I could stuff my pockets with (car previously wrecked and missing pieces from that repair) plus they left the AC lines dangling on the core support (now connected but IDK the cond. of the AC pump etc)
Today I discovered that the ATF looks like Pepto bismol, (condensation from sitting or bad radiator cooler?) and the oil lite winked at me as I took it around the subdivision (about 1-1/4 miles total) I have about 2 hours run time on this engine, since I have had it back together...
No noise from engine at all now I feel bottom end should be fine... I HOPE that its just a sending unit; but since the car was previously wrecked, it wasnlt running when I 1st got it, and the owner had very recently bought it when it broke down, so no real history on the car.... how far do I go? The car itself is VERY clean inside and out;
I am spending some one else's money here, and I did call him last nite to tell him "it runs once again" but that I wasn't done yet as I had to make that JY run and get that O2 sensor from the parts store at least.... and go from there.
When I had drained the oil I got as much antifreeze from the pan as I did oil; but i dont think it could have possibly run long at all that way (maybe not at all, since the pan got filled with antifreeze, between the waterpump failure, the leaky water neck, going outta time, and the crank sensor wires having bene burnt in 2)
I am unfortunately "married" to this car now... I have about $1K in it, not counting my time... owner fronted me $600 when I ordered the bulk from Rock Auto... IF it just needs a sending unit, another oil change and a trans fluid change I'm good; if that doesn't do the tricks, then what.... where do I draw the line?
I didnt want to touch the car but the owner wouldnt let me refuse as he kept asking every time I saw him... he HAS left me alone and not bothered me for a timeline to complete the job. But he also knows that the more I wind up with in it the longer he has to drive it to get his moneys worth out of it; there has been trade in talk and I told him he would get less for it in trade than I will have tied up in it, the only way he can get his value is to drive it a while 1st once he gets it back....
It still has a little bit of "antifreeze in the exhaust" smell'
I hope this wasn't a problem as I ran outta High tack spray (as the factory shop manual suggested) when I realized that I had 2 right side gaskets and no left so I went and bought a proper right and left set and used what I had on hand for a head gasket spray sealer (copper coat) like I said, this was my 1st 2.7 and 1st MLS head gasket experience maybe it just still needs to be run? the abundant smoke on startp is long gone ( as expected; heavy smoke on startup is fairly common when an engine that has been so deeply apart is 1st started) and I wouldn't be surprised if the exh was full of antifreeze from its former problems)
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this involces a 112K mile 02 Trep with (ugh) a 2.7. I will warn you it could get long (sorry no pix to cheat your way thru with)
IT had set for over a year, before I finally cave and tell him I'd "look" at it (I really wanted nothing to do with it) I told him I "had heard of" peope dropping 3.2s/3.5s in place of 2.7s but tell him I HAVE NEVER DONE THIS SWAP MYSELF
so, he goes to the JY and buys a 3.2 from a '00 that he wants me to install he thought the car was an '00, too) No; the car's a '02! crap ,the motor he got won't work; good riddance (nother story as the engine wasn't as promised from the yard anyway) but it takes him a month or so to get his $$ back for it; the JY was cool about it, especially being his mistake they got him what he had asked for> but they never had enough in the drawer at any given time so Larry had to go back 3-4 times over a period of a couple weeks to get back all but $100 restock fee (that story could have ended much worse than that)
I get it apart and see the water pump sprocket has come loose from its shaft but the engine is clean as a whistle, NO sludge at all; so I figure we have hope of salvaging this thing; knowing we may wind up with the same $$ as the junkyard wanted for that 3.2 but know what we had;
I pulled the heads and sent em in, knowing it had run hot, and timing was off (was worried about valves being bent and heads warped)
I ordered a PILE from Rock auto (chain kit, waterpump, plugs, T stat, belts, hoses and most of the gaskets; $650 worth at their prices all 1st rate recognized name brands, I hate no name crap ) got some leftovers from a dealer buddy (gave me 2 left head gaskets and no rights, didnt know they were different since i'd never worked on a 2.7 before) Slowly, I put it all back together (reluctance/unfamiliarity plus owner "not in hurry")
I had to buy head gaskets, water neck, the correct plugs (thanks for wrong ones, rock auto) an O2 sensor and other odds and ends locally, plus I bought the stop block from "fix2.7.com" I also found burnt apart wires to crank sensor and oil sending unit (extended, soldered/heat shrinked), and had to take the 2.5 yo stone cold dead battery back to Walmart and exchange it on warratty (wouldn't even take a charge) and more that I am probably forgetting;
I got it started the 1st time last nite; the fact that it started immediately and smoothly was a big relief... It did take a lil longer for the lifters to all go quiet than I thought it might; (they finally did) motor is now quiet as a running engine can possibly be; I found a CEL due to that o2 sensor I mentioned above; it too had a cut wire. replaced that today; reset the light and it stayed out. I also went junkyarding in 24*F weather today to get an air cleaner top and all the body bolts/clips I could stuff my pockets with (car previously wrecked and missing pieces from that repair) plus they left the AC lines dangling on the core support (now connected but IDK the cond. of the AC pump etc)
Today I discovered that the ATF looks like Pepto bismol, (condensation from sitting or bad radiator cooler?) and the oil lite winked at me as I took it around the subdivision (about 1-1/4 miles total) I have about 2 hours run time on this engine, since I have had it back together...
No noise from engine at all now I feel bottom end should be fine... I HOPE that its just a sending unit; but since the car was previously wrecked, it wasnlt running when I 1st got it, and the owner had very recently bought it when it broke down, so no real history on the car.... how far do I go? The car itself is VERY clean inside and out;
I am spending some one else's money here, and I did call him last nite to tell him "it runs once again" but that I wasn't done yet as I had to make that JY run and get that O2 sensor from the parts store at least.... and go from there.
When I had drained the oil I got as much antifreeze from the pan as I did oil; but i dont think it could have possibly run long at all that way (maybe not at all, since the pan got filled with antifreeze, between the waterpump failure, the leaky water neck, going outta time, and the crank sensor wires having bene burnt in 2)
I am unfortunately "married" to this car now... I have about $1K in it, not counting my time... owner fronted me $600 when I ordered the bulk from Rock Auto... IF it just needs a sending unit, another oil change and a trans fluid change I'm good; if that doesn't do the tricks, then what.... where do I draw the line?
I didnt want to touch the car but the owner wouldnt let me refuse as he kept asking every time I saw him... he HAS left me alone and not bothered me for a timeline to complete the job. But he also knows that the more I wind up with in it the longer he has to drive it to get his moneys worth out of it; there has been trade in talk and I told him he would get less for it in trade than I will have tied up in it, the only way he can get his value is to drive it a while 1st once he gets it back....
It still has a little bit of "antifreeze in the exhaust" smell'
I hope this wasn't a problem as I ran outta High tack spray (as the factory shop manual suggested) when I realized that I had 2 right side gaskets and no left so I went and bought a proper right and left set and used what I had on hand for a head gasket spray sealer (copper coat) like I said, this was my 1st 2.7 and 1st MLS head gasket experience maybe it just still needs to be run? the abundant smoke on startp is long gone ( as expected; heavy smoke on startup is fairly common when an engine that has been so deeply apart is 1st started) and I wouldn't be surprised if the exh was full of antifreeze from its former problems)
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