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post #1 of 14 (permalink) Old 05-20-2008, 02:36 PM Thread Starter
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Sad Stall :-(

A couple weeks ago my car started making a "struggling to stay alive" noise. Explaining it to the best of my ability "VROOM! vroom vroom vroom VROOM! vroom vroom vroom" with the RPM band going up to 1000 and back to 400 jumping back and forth. The engine light came on right before this started to happen so I pulled over. After 10 minutes the car started and ran fine.

It is doing it again but now it actually dies when I come to a complete stop after jumping up and down.

When this happened to my Intrepid it was the intake gasket. Any ideas?

It is a 1999 Pontiac Grand Prix GTP 3.8L SC engine with almost 139k on the motor.

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*EDIT* Also today the oil light came on with the engine light before it stalled and I couldn't steer the car.
*EDIT2* Black smoke out the exhaust

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post #2 of 14 (permalink) Old 05-20-2008, 03:57 PM
 
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My Guess is, leaning towards Lower Intake Gaskets!
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If you have a code reader, the check engine light should have stored the code of whatever is causing the problem.

I believe "EDIT1" happened when the car actually stalled, the oil light and CEL will usually be on when the engine is off, and the power steering pump won't be pumping, hence, no power steering.

I would lean toward an O2 sensor, but without the codes, that's just a shot in the dark. Black smoke, and a surging idle usually indicate a rich condition.

If you don't have a code reader, most auto parts stores can check the code for you.
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Is it more of a "choking for air" feeling? Or more of a "sudden jerky stalling" feeling?
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Is it more of a "choking for air" feeling? Or more of a "sudden jerky stalling" feeling?
Ive had rough jerky idle in the Intrepid...this is just an awful sound like my baby is gasping for air. lol

Thanks for the replies so far. Phil, Gary and Chet I will be expecting some responses... :-)
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Ive had rough jerky idle in the Intrepid...this is just an awful sound like my baby is gasping for air. lol

Thanks for the replies so far. Phil, Gary and Chet I will be expecting some responses... :-)
I know that it's a different vehicle, but I had what sounds like the same problem that your having from what I've read. On my '98 Town & Country it was the torque converter. You got anymore symptoms or more detailed descriptions?

EDIT: I think I read that wrong..lol You're saying the prob with the Pontiac is a gasping for air feeling. IDK about that, but I'll do some research for ya. ;)
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I know that it's a different vehicle, but I had what sounds like the same problem that your having from what I've read. On my '98 Town & Country it was the torque converter. You got anymore symptoms or more detailed descriptions?

EDIT: I think I read that wrong..lol You're saying the prob with the Pontiac is a gasping for air feeling. IDK about that, but I'll do some research for ya. ;)
Actually I just went out again, at first it jerks like crazy. Then it gasps for air, but also when I give it gas it's perfectly fine in park/nuetral.
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Actually I just went out again, at first it jerks like crazy. Then it gasps for air, but also when I give it gas it's perfectly fine in park/nuetral.
Then it maybe the torque converter after all. For some reason I've had to replace a torque converter on every AT I've ever owned.
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Does it have an IAC valve? What about a Cam Pos sensor?
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If it does it in park/neutral, it isn't the torque converter.

They didn't go to fly-by wire on the 3800SC's until they switched to the Series 3 in about 2004, so it should have an IAC motor. And IIRC, they do have cam sensors. The first step in diagnosing this needs to be checking the codes.

It could be a clogged IAC passage, faulty injectors/FPR, fouled O2 sensor, or just about anything else, but until we know the codes we don't know if we need to look at excessive fuel or inadequate air flow.
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I hope its something small. It's going to the shop tomorrow morning because my friend can't find his scanner and I can't get the car to autozone without stalling. So now it's just a waiting game.
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Check the fuel pressure, sounds like a dying fuel pump.
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Well I got it fixed today. Happened to be the MAF sensor. I pretended to call my mechanic and talked them down $60 for the part. Wound up costing me $90 for the diag, 307 for the part and $54 for the labor. Wish I could have drove it home, I could have done it cheaper myself.

Thanks for all the input guys. I came here before the GP forum!
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Glad to hear you got it fixed.

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I hope its something small.
Well, a MAF is actually relatively small, unfortunately, the price attached to it isn't too small.
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