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post #1 of 37 (permalink) Old 06-05-2008, 06:46 AM Thread Starter
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running my car on water and gas!!!

I pretty much got sucker into the idea and built myself a water canister that uses the car bat to turn H2O into HHO and ran it into my vac lines. everything seems stable and it feels like there's more power from the new HHO injection. i'll post on it more as resolts come up but I want to know your oppinions as well. has anyone else tryed this?
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Do you think its set up properly? Really great idea! Please post about your mileage differences. Be careful though, oil co sponsered scientists will likely say any savings are impossible.
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What happens in Winter when the water turns to ice??

Edit, does it even get cold enought to freeze in Tennesse?
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I've been wandering around a gas saver forum where they do a lot of things like HHO and water injection and what not. There is actually some sound science behind this. Something to do with Brown's gas. I haven't read too much into the science aspect of it but know that water suddenly heated into steam has tremendous energy potential. But its something you have to be careful with. Steam is very powerful and too much will blow things up. Steam explosions are very, very deadly.

I hadn't tried any of these things but I was looking at possible water injection instead of HHO. Water injection is commonly used on aircraft, and methanol/water injection kits are common in turbo and supercharged applications.

As far as freezing issues, you can mix alcohol with the water, or I've read about windshield washer fluid being used instead of straight water. Now, that was with a water injection set up. As far as if it could be used with HHO I do not know. I have also read that some of the drawbacks to HHO is that the amount of electrical energy needed for the reaction to turn H2O into HHO is more than any gains you might see.
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hey froggy where in herkimer are you? im in frankfort. we should go to Vinces sometime
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Water injection was used as far back as WWII in the British Spitfires in order to get enough HP to catch and destroy the German V1 rockets.
It was quite successful when used, one just has to be careful of actual liquid water being injested - water cannot be compressed, so will severly damage the engine if not vapourized first.
The steam explosion shouldn't be a concern, since he isn't converting the liquid to steam in a pressure vessel - howver, you are correct in that steam explosions are extremely potent.
I'd also be wonder if the battery being used to break down the water would actually supply enough HHO to be of use, considering the CFM the engine uses.


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hey froggy where in herkimer are you? im in frankfort. we should go to Vinces sometime
That't too funny. My brother in law and I were going to go last weekend because I've never been there. One of my step-son's friend's brother works up there. My brother Mike used to practically live up there. I hear its an awesome place and its been a few years since I've been out to a yard.

I'm not too far from the high school and college. Couple blocks from the high school actually.
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Wow I would have thought a lot of people would bash these ideas. My brother got way into this stuff too and ended up building a hydrogen generator and hooked it up to his 1995 Camaro with a V6. He hasn't actually gone through a full tank with it connected but swears that it got him about 25mpg when he normally gets 20. We tested the generator and it does make hydrogen and you can even light the bubbles on fire with a lighter my only concern was that his intake would suck some of the watter into the engine but so far it has been fine. I really want to see what his increase is over a full tank but I don't think his car has seen a full tank yet and with gas at 4.25 it might not. The setup wasn't too difficult he even wired in a switch so that you can turn it off easily and he was able to connect it directly to his K&N cold air intake. It's an interesting idea but im still undecided on it as of right now.
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Let me be the first to say it will make no noticeble difference. The idea is to use electricity to seperate the Hyrogen molecules from Oxygen in water. While it is a fact that it works, the amount of combustible gas released is miniscule and will not improve performance, mileage or efficiancy. The size of the setup you would need to be beneficial would be countered by the weight of the setup and the power that would would be wasted to move the additional mass when the vehicle accelerates. It's similar t the idea that if you overcharge your car battery, it can explode because of the release of hydrogen, except that acid is a more effective median to release Hydrogen than water. Those water setups create enough hydrogen in 12 hours to light a cigarrette, maybe to. I am sorry to say that running a car with a homemade hydrogen seperation system is just a myth, with real science behind it. Fuel cells are basically the same thing, and are still cost prohibitive.
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LOL OMG SUPER LOL OMG SUPER LOL ....

Can we see some pics. I work in the hydrogen industry and i can tell you right now you are building yourself a nice brown's gas bomb.

You are not getting better mileage, performance or engine efficiency. Please do yourself a favor and throw that junk away and run the car on gasoline. It will buildup iron oxide in the water tank and eventually stop producing hydrogen anyways.

Want to learn more? Visit our website www.hydrogenvillage.ca

Our program reviewed that website and we have contacted them to remove that crap off the internet.

Just look at the quality of the parts LOL


It looks like a 2 year old made it in grade school



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I listened to an interesting interview with one of the owners of a HHO conversion company.

He claims that the efficency increases are real and substancial. Reason is that when the extra hydrogen is introduced into the combustion chamber of a gas or diesel engine, the hydrogen molecules interfuse with the carbon fuel and the oxygen allows more complete combustion. The carbon fuels burn hotter and much more completely due to the synergestic effects.

He further explained that emmissions were radically reduced also due to much less unburned fuel out the exhaust. It seems that the hydrogen helps save fuel not so much by itself in the small amounts, but be enabling the gasoline to release much more useable heat to push the pistons and produce work. That is the trick, not replacing gas with hydrogen.

He also added that carbureator equipped cars, and fuel injection prior to 1998 produced the biggest gains, as the newer engines automatically retard the savings by forcing the engines to run on a very specific fuel to air mixture ratio. The older cars can run at a much lower fuel to air ratio due to significantly greater combustion and utilization of the fuel.

As for me, I hope it works. I think the guy was for real, and it makes sense. As for the big corporate "experts" saying impossible . . . of course they do. They might be right, but look at how many times we learn years or decades later they were wrong, especially when money is involved.
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looks like a home meth kit... I agree with those saying the advantages would be miniscule if any
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looks like a home meth kit... I agree with those saying the advantages would be miniscule if any
What do you base that on? Simply saying you disagree?
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I listened to an interesting interview with one of the owners of a HHO conversion company.

He claims that the efficency increases are real and substancial. Reason is that when the extra hydrogen is introduced into the combustion chamber of a gas or diesel engine, the hydrogen molecules interfuse with the carbon fuel and the oxygen allows more complete combustion. The carbon fuels burn hotter and much more completely due to the synergestic effects.

He further explained that emmissions were radically reduced also due to much less unburned fuel out the exhaust. It seems that the hydrogen helps save fuel not so much by itself in the small amounts, but be enabling the gasoline to release much more useable heat to push the pistons and produce work. That is the trick, not replacing gas with hydrogen.

He also added that carbureator equipped cars, and fuel injection prior to 1998 produced the biggest gains, as the newer engines automatically retard the savings by forcing the engines to run on a very specific fuel to air mixture ratio. The older cars can run at a much lower fuel to air ratio due to significantly greater combustion and utilization of the fuel.

As for me, I hope it works. I think the guy was for real, and it makes sense. As for the big corporate "experts" saying impossible . . . of course they do. They might be right, but look at how many times we learn years or decades later they were wrong, especially when money is involved.

Yep, and they can probably turn lead into gold --------------------what a load of BS...................
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Yep, and they can probably turn lead into gold --------------------what a load of BS...................
I appreciate your open minded and intelligent comments

http://www.sott.net/articles/show/14...es-from-Others

Interesting maybe the HHO people are psychos
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