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Universal battery terminals? Thoughts?

Well, it's time to replace my battery... again. Just put a new one in August last year, only lasted 15 months. Thankfully, it's still under warranty.

But this has lead to a new problem. It looks like it may be wise to install an new positive battery terminal. The lead that holds the bolt in place while you loosen the nut has twisted off and I'm fairly certain that after cleaning up the inside of the clamp, there won't be enough material to make a firm connection to the battery. (Already fully tightened and used channel locks to yank it off the battery.)

So I have a few options.
  • Universal pinch style clamp. Example
  • Compression style clamp. Example
  • Positive battery cable repair kit from chrysler.
  • Deal with the current clamp... somehow...

Whats everyones thoughts?
Personally I don't like the pinch style clamp for a couple reasons. For one, chances are you won't get the best contact with the cable. Also, compared to the factory cable the conductors could potentially come in contact with battery acid and wick it up through the cable (capillary action).
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Pinch style ones suck. The copper wires are more exposed and corrode. They also don't always hold the wire very tight (found this multiple times). I have no experience with the compression style ones. Maybe crimp the terminal with some channel locks while its removed from the battery to get it to hold tighter and maybe replace the square head bolt with a hex head one that so you can hold it and tighten it with two wrenches? Otherwise I'd bet on the Chrysler repair kit being your best quality option.
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Definitely not the pinch style - mechanically a bad idea, and lead is not a very good conductor for high current.

Not knowing what the Chrysler repair kit looks like, I'd go with the compression style clamp. If you packed it and coated all around the outside real good with grease, I suspect it would take quite a while for wicking to occur and that it would provide very good connection well beyond what you need it too. You can't beat even, strong compression distributed evenly all the way around. Keep corrosion out with grease, and you have a reliable connection.


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I'd be curious if there's any kind of shrink wrap that would fit over the end and shrink down far enough to provide a full seal. My guess is no, but an alternative could be mask off the terminal end and plasti-dip the rest to make a good seal.
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They make shrink tubing for electronics that is lined with a thick layer of hot melt adhesive that melts at the same time it is being shrunk. The adhesive seals pretty well. Shrinkage is over 50%, so if sized right, could slip over the nut and shrink to seal on the OD of the terminal and the cable. The most common material is polyolefin. Not sure how that holds up to exposure to battery acid. (I know nylon disintegrates rapidly from battery acid.)

http://www.newark.com/webapp/wcs/sto...owResults=true

You could try that or grease, but obviously not both. I'd probably go with grease, mainly because I don't know how the polyolefin will hold up against battery acid, and grease works, and probably better fits the KISS principle.


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I went to try spreading the terminal and it developed a crack, go figure... Not so sure what I'm going to do about it.

I would consider buying the positive cable kit, but I'm really not digging the idea of pulling the sheathing of the section of the wiring harness it runs through apart. There is no way to get it all taped up again afterwards at the ends, especially the end by the power distribution box where it splits out in three or more directions.

The "emergency" compression connector... No, just no.

And that would leave me searching locally for someplace that carries the compression connector. Sure hope NAPA carries them.
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I had forgotten that the OEM kit is the complete factory cable (including the fusible link and cables to the alternator and jump post) that eliminates splicing, which is a 'clean' way to do it, but does require the just-as-troublesome disassembly and unwrapping/rewrapping that you noted.

Some searches turned up Jegs as having the QuikConnects as well as a similar one by Moroso, but I get the impression that both of those are only made to fit 1 or 2 ga. cable. I would think they could only work with smaller cables by offering different size nuts (ID)

You might call QuickConnect to see if they have them to fit smaller cable, and maybe they will send you a positive terminal with smaller nuts at no charge just to get you off the phone.

Here's a similar design by Wen that says they work for 1, 2, and 6 ga. - not sure exactly what size our wire is: http://www.amazon.com/WEN-41201-Post-Battery-Terminal/dp/B00I4WZ2LI/ref=pd_sim_sbs_263_3?ie=UTF8&dpID=41%2BZ8-O3WTL&dpSrc=sims&preST=_AC_UL160_SR160%2C160_&refRID=0W54HAHNV83VZR6NT5BX
You might look at some of the Big 3 How-Tos and discussions. It seems I recall seeing some aftermarket battery terminals that were impressive, though, again, are they going to work only with larger cable wire?


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A long overdue update...

Ended up getting the new battery in and all hooked up. I ended up using lead battery terminal shims rather than replacing the current terminal clamp, not the best way, but hey it works and I really needed use of my car again.
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Gotta do what you gotta do.

There's a saying in industry which you may or may not have heard: "There comes a point in every project where you just have to shoot the engineers and get the job finished." (I'll let you use that - no charge.)
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