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post #1 of 10 (permalink) Old 04-16-2009, 11:11 PM Thread Starter
 
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Over the last few months my '92 Lumina started falling apart and needed about $1000 in repairs. My folks were out of state visiting family and found out my 91 year-old grandmother was selling her '00 Intrepid and gave me a great price on it if I wanted it. It's a 3.2L with only 36k miles on it, pretty decent condition, for about $3k.

Thought it was a great deal. A few weeks later we went and got assignment of title notarized at the Ohio titling office and I got 30 day tags since I'd be bringing it back to Virginia for titling and registration.

Well, so far I haven't had any luck getting Virginia DMV to accept any documentation that I lawfully own the car. (The car was actually titled to a trust that my grandfather set up before he passed away, and my grandmother is the primary trustee.) What gets me is that Ohio BMV requires transfer of ownership to be witnessed and notarized in person. Thus, we've already proven to a government agency that she is authorized to sell me the car. According to the clerks I've dealt with, that "isn't good enough" in Virginia because in Virginia "we do not require a notary" and 'we have a different procedure". I've even provided the local DMV a copy of an affidavit listing the trustees, signed by my grandmother, her lawyer, and an Ohio court. Also "not good enough" for some reason.

What gives? What further evidence is required? Why should I even have to prove this crap a second time.

I'm now stuck with a vehicle with expired out of state temporary registration that I can't drive because nothing I give the DMV seems to satisfy them.

Anyone else ever had this much trouble titling a car? Any advice?
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can your grandmother get a title for the car from the Ohio BMV? I think that should be possible if your grandfather titled it to a trust of which your grandmother was the primary trustee?...
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and one more thought: can you register the car in Ohio, get a title in OHIO and then take that OHIO title to the VA DMV?
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So what exactly does Virginia want? They should be able to tell you what they need to get the car registered, if you have brought all that already, and it still isnt acceptable.

Ohio is weird...they require everything notarized...but it shouldnt matter to another state.

I agree with Marty on titling it in your name in Ohio then transferring the title to Virginia.

In Ohio, you need a bill of sale and a signed off out of state title to get your car titled in OHio...thats the only time it doesnt have to be notarized...then you have to have the car inspected by the BMV....where all they do is check the vin to make sure its not stolen, and visually inspect the odometer.


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I'm not a resident of Ohio, so I'd assume I can't technically title it there? But that is an option so I guess I'll see if that's a possibility.

I don't have the paper they gave with the exact wording in front of me, but what they asked for was something to the effect of "original trust or private trust documents with names of trustees". My uncle (who is also a trustee) sent me a copy of a document titled "affidavit concerning succession of trustees" which had everyones names and signatures, and a second page was attached with a summary of what the trustees can do with the assets.

To summarize everything here, I've been to the DMV 3 times now, and each time got a different answer.

After the first trip, we assumed the lady didn't understand what we were doing. She printed out several pages of their procedure with a section marked off for us, which we read in detail when we got home. Turns out this was some junk about putting a car INTO a trust.

Second trip, we argued there is absolutely no reason why we should have to provide them anything more than the original notarized title, bill of sale, temporary registration and various receipts from the BMV bearing my name. Sure seemed sufficient for us. Well, no. But at least this lady printed out the correct pages on transferring FROM a trust to a person.

Third trip, lady isn't satisfied with the affidavit that I brought and emphasized "original documents". And by this point the car had been sitting at my apartment for a week with expired tags risking getting ticketed or towed away.

I'm going to try another DMV and see what happens. If it turns out they literally mean "original" then that's just stupid since no one is just going to let me take them (their filed away in some court!), and I especially don't have any business seeing the whole thing to begin with as a matter of privacy.
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They must need the original paperwork creating the trust, naming the original trustees, etc....

If you run out of options, I can ask my dad, he's a lawyer, and handles estates and trusts pretty regularly.
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Yeah if it comes to that we'll try to get a complete copy. But who knows, maybe after I get that they'll turn around and tell me I need to drive my 91 year old grandma 350 miles down here just to flash her ID.
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Yeah if it comes to that we'll try to get a complete copy. But who knows, maybe after I get that they'll turn around and tell me I need to drive my 91 year old grandma 350 miles down here just to flash her ID.
What about power of attorney? Say your grandma signs power of attorney concerning the car to one of the trustees? That works in Ohio...
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Took my documents (the same ones I had before) today to the DMV in a neighboring city and didn't have any trouble at all getting this done. So it would appear that at least one of those offices didn't know what they were doing.
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