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Question Question for the Masses!?

How many people here have wasted money on radar detectors? I'm curious to know just how many people have been fooled by one of the hugest scams in history. First off I will say my dad is a cop, now I'm sure what you'll be thinking is, "Well he just said that because he doesn't want me to have one"......guess again.

One radar detectors detect microwave radiation, several things produce this including.....cell-towers, cellphones, garage door openers.....and several others. These will be construde as a "false-alert". Now believe it or not police radars have a relatively narrow beam, and unless you are the one being clocked or you are right next to someone being clocked it's not gonna go off, so if you are in heavy traffic I admit it could help. Now if you are going down the road by yourself and it goes off (non false-alert) YOU my friend are being clocked and you should prepare to recieve a ticket. Also keep in mind that cops do NOT just drive around with their radar on all the time........ it is used in quick bursts so again unless you or someone next to you is being clocked it won't matter.

Now most also are "Laser Detectors" if this goes off it is probably going off completely randomly. If you think about it a laser is about 1mm wide, to be able to detect that around your vehicle it would have to produce so much radiation that you would probably die from it. And the beam is not shown onto your laser detector (then it will go off) it is shown at your license plate which is 100% reflective and doesn't scatter the beam much if at all. Oh yah those license plate covers and such do nothing for you either....... nor do those "special coatings" that supposively render a laser inaffective. And by the way these are illegal, but not for this reason, but because they reduce the reflectivity of your plates and the covers can become dull and make your plate unreadable. Believe it or not they're reflective for a reason and not it's not to get you for speeding.

Neither a radar or laser detector can do anything for you against VASCAR, which is a signalless way of clocking people. Without going to indepth about the workings of it......it is basically a glorified calculator. Most "speed traps", you will find this being used. My dad personally prefers this and only uses his radar when he takes off and is approaching behind them to, incase they have a radar detector 9 times out of 10 they will slam on there brakes and it makes it just a little easier for him to catch them. In fact he has had someone slam on their brakes so hard he passed them up, but don't worry they still got a ticket +1 for careless driving (braking excessively hard on the freeway).

The only truely affective way of disabling clocking technology is to not speed. Jammers will work but it is very obvious if someone has one.......and if you do have one expect a HUGE fine as these are illegal in all 50 states.

I'm most interested to hear questions and comments regarding this issue, and if I have forgot to mention anything please feel free to add as I probably have. (I admit I DO speed probably overly frequently, but I have avoided tickets for such things for over 2 years without any kind of detectors besides my trusty eyes.)
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I bought a used one from my friend. It was an Escort Passport. I used it for a little while but I realized that I only do like 5 over the limit. So, it went into my dresser drawer and it has been there for like 7 years.
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I do not have one either.
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I have a "detector" it is hard wired into the car and turns on when the car is started, and the only reason why it's there it's couse I'm too lazy to take it down . Beleave me around here the sign says 55mph but every one is doing over 65, I regularly cruse @80 to 90 and that's with other trafic passing me. I dont need one but I like it when I turn the car on and says " Welcome, buckle your seat belt" It trips all my budies.
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I had one almost a decade ago and since haven't for about 6 years. The only purpose for detectors today, is to argue with crooked cops. When it goes off you look at your speedometer, let's see how close your actual speed and what the officer says it was. My sister in law received a ticket because the cop clocked the vehicle in front of her that was speeding, but she received the ticket. Get off your soap box cop boy, you think everyone is stupid because your cop father has corrupted you into that thinking. If I hadn't received a couple of tickets because of lying crooked cops I would respect them, but currently I do not! Six months from now when my wife is done with the police academy, I guess my views will have to slightly change. When she issues me a ticket!
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my best radar detector is actually a C/B.
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I had one almost a decade ago and since haven't for about 6 years. The only purpose for detectors today, is to argue with crooked cops. When it goes off you look at your speedometer, let's see how close your actual speed and what the officer says it was. My sister in law received a ticket because the cop clocked the vehicle in front of her that was speeding, but she received the ticket. Get off your soap box cop boy, you think everyone is stupid because your cop father has corrupted you into that thinking. If I hadn't received a couple of tickets because of lying crooked cops I would respect them, but currently I do not! Six months from now when my wife is done with the police academy, I guess my views will have to slightly change. When she issues me a ticket!
Who told you that? Your sister-in-law? Oh of course SHE wasn't speeding, oh my she would never do that. I think it's amazing you assume all cops are crooked? My guess is you've had several run in with cops and they've thrown the book at you and you didn't like being held responsible for your actions. Oh by the way if you honestly knew anything when you recieve a ticket it is a arrest, when you sign it, it is a contract for you to pay the fine or appear in court. A ticket is issued based on what a officer has seen or has concluded from his investigation. That is why there is a court system, so there is always someone to check and watch over the others (Checks and Balances). If you honestly think you where mis-charged go to court. DO NOT sign the back admitting your guilty, and take the time to go to court. If you just went and payed for it, that is YOUR fault. If you want to argue with me have at it, I'm majoring in criminal jusctice and probably know a great deal more than you do.
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Oh yah, there is a chance that your speedometer could be inaccurate. By the way cops have to prove that you where speeding because the speed that the radar picks up is recorded. That is if you go to court, you obviously didn't being as how you see you where wrongly accused but you are yet to be proven that you where. And their radars are required by law to be checked for accuracy everyday. Oh another thing, arguing with a cop isn't good either, chances are you probably did something else but don't realize it, and if you continue to argue chances are you will see them appear on the ticket. If you want to argue go to court. Why do you think they just went after your sister-in-law for speeding? They don't have to write tickets and they're not out to get everyone. And rarely unless you are really flying do you get pulled over just for speeding, it usually accompanies something such as careless driving or improper lane change but you may just get a ticket for speeding. You should be appreciative that they don't have to write every single thing they see on a ticket.

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The only time I've ever used one was when I went drove from Saint Paul, MN to Las Vegas a couple of summers ago. I borrowed one of my friend's, who has a really good one as he put it. I don't remember the brand, but it was pretty fancy.

Of course being in the city, it went off a lot due to the other things that caused interference as you mentioned, but contrary to what you said about how it performs out in the open country, it worked like a charm.

My first instance of it going off like crazy was when I was out in the open and it started to go off like there was no tomorrow. It just kept going off, and of course I slowed down. About a mile up the road, there was a State Trooper sitting there.

Second instance was when I was driving thru Utah. Again it went off out in the middle of nowhere, and sure enough about a mile up the road, there was a State Trooper there.

I agree that if you're out there by yourself, by the time it goes off, you've already been busted, but even in light traffic, it works great. It doesn't have to be in "heavy traffic".

Note: On the way back, never saw one officer on the highway.
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But for it to work the radar must be on, he obviously wasn't to concerned with catching speeders if he left his radar on. It's supposed to be used in short bursts, musta been to lazy to turn it off and on. But can you really justify the cost of upwards of $200 for a half-way descent detector?
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I've never owned one and never even thought of owning one for the reasons listed in the first post.

I very rarely go more than five over the speed limit. I'm not worried about having to pay a ticket, I'm worried about my insurance rate.
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Jer_BEAR_bluez...

First of all, welcome to the board.
Second, take a quaalude, dude - you are way too high-strung about this.
Third, settle down, take a look around and you will find about eleventy-million years of automotive and Intrepid experience around here.

Here's what I know about radar and laser from research I have been doing:

Your original post talked about laser being 1mm wide. Perhaps when it leaves the gun, but by the time it gets to your car, it's about 3 feet wide - still much narrower than radar.

Whether it's 3 feet wide or 1mm wide when it hits you car, you're generally toast is a laser DETECTOR goes off.

A system like the K40 Diffuser Plus is legal and is effective in scrambling the laser signal before it's returned to the gun. Dunno about license plate covers...

For laser to 'work' for a cop, they need to be within 10 degrees of dead-on to the car.

Radar jamming is illegal in 50 states.

If you are alone on the road and a cop 'bursts' the radar, you are toast.

If there are other cars on the road and a cop is 'bursting', a good radar detector like the K40 can detect the scattered signal from the cars ahead because the radar is so wide.

I have no clue about the VASCAR.

I'm not plugging the K40 stuff - I'm just leaning toward it based on what I've been researching.

Once again, Jer_BEAR_bluez, welcome to the board. Sit back and enjoy the ride....

Oh yeah - read your sig!

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2001RT....I too heard the same things about the laser and radar detectors. Well, the 10 degrees thing is new to me.
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But can you really justify the cost of upwards of $200 for a half-way descent detector?
If he was speeding when he got those two readings, and consequently slowed down, I'm sure he could justify a $1000 radar detector. In your original post, you made a few assertions that didn't quite show the whole picture. There are a few radar "jammers" out there, but only a scant few actually work worth a shit. Even then, these legal devices don't "jam" the signal. If I can remember correctly, they send back noise to the gun in order to distort the reading, and it only lasts for a few seconds. Once the "jammer" alerts you, you need to immediately slow down. This buys you enough time to slow back to the legal limit, while not making the officer too suspicious. My brother's Muscle Mustang and Fast Ford tested out a few "jammers," but I can't remember the name of the one that worked the best. I'll see if I can find that issue, and then I'll reply with some more info.

EDIT: Just read 2001RT's post (damn you fast posters!) and I believe the K40 is the item that I was talking about. As for VASCAR, it is nothing but a revenue-generating device for cops with nothing better to do than sit on there ass and press buttons. Here is a place with a little info on why VASCAR isn't an ideal measuring device.

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