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I was in a drive-through car wash and half through it the thermostat housing blew- looked like car was on fire. Pushed it out of the way and went and got a new one and tools. The two back bolts are not accessible due to top plenum(?). I read there is a special tool: N.m 12 - in Lbs 105 (whatever that means) to reach. Is this true? Surely you don't have to disassemble 1/4 of the engine to reach two bolts in the hot sun at a car wash. Towing is $110. and the part was $37.00. Can you'll save me one more time?

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Plenum has to be loosened or removed to get to them.
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And the "Special Tool" you're talking about is a Torgue wrench reading in inch-lbs. Needed when tightening the bolts down for the plenum. You can probably temporarily just tighten the bolts by hand lightly and get them torqued later. Not tight enough and you risk an air/vacuum leak and too tight and damaging the plenum or stripping threads out.
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Unbelievable

Being a novice mechanic at best, the plenum move sounds deep. I can loosen the bolts, jiggle the plenum enough to remove the 2 back bolts, replace with new housing, jiggle plenum back in place and torque. Probably doable if no gaskets or complete removal of plenum and wiring is involved. If I sound way off, please reply stop, otherwise I'm on it in the A.M. - it has to be moved. Thanks for your help! For the 3rd time!
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Sand and grit accumulates around the gasket interface of the plenum over time and can get into the gaskets when you loosen the screws and raise the plenum - may or may not prevent a perfect seal when tightening it back down. You will need to loosen the screws enough to raise the plenum up a little - I’m guessing 1/4 to 1/2”, maybe more, to be able to get the two housing back screws out.

The plenum gaskets are silicone and should be OK to re-use.

Ideally, you would remove the plenum and clean the grit off the lower intake and underside of the plenum to make sure it doesn’t get into the gasket area, and replace the gaskets - very inexpensive. But if you just raise it a little without removing and cleaning and without new gaskets, you might be OK.

I hate to keep adding more concern and increasing the scope of this job, but the aftermarket replacements for this part have a tendency to come apart in a year or two. If you plan to keep the car more than a year or so, it would be best to get the redesigned part from the dealer along with new outlet pipe (purchased as a single Chrysler part number). The re-designed part has the bleeder part welded into the metal pipe instead of molded into the plastic outlet housing - it eliminates the most common failure mode of the housing, and, again, the OEM housing is made to last a good bit longer than the aftermarket part of older design and generally overall inferior quality.

Search this on eBay: “(chrysler, dodge) (05017183, 5017183)”

This looks like the best price, and is the OEM part, seller has 100% rating: https://www.ebay.com/itm/CHRYSLER-OE...YAAOSwA4Va2ufS (ignore the fact that the sketch shows the bleeder in the housing and not on the tube - the sketch is from the Chrysler parts system, and they didn’t update the sketch when they redesigned the housing and tube - and that does include the housing *and* the metal tube)
I haven’t checked retail dealer price on it lately, but probably well north of $100.

So - if you’re not going to keep it for more than a year, just raise the plenum a little and throw the aftermarket part in there, and the plenum will probably seal OK (cross fingers). But if you plan to keep the car, I’d bite the bullet and get new plenum gaskets, and get the OEM housing and pipe from eBay - total parts cost well under $100 - you just won’t have it back on the road today. If you go with aftermarket housing, chances are high that somebody will be replacing it again in 2 years or less.

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Coolant needs to be Mopar or Zerex G-05 HOAT (Hybrid Organic Acid Technology). Ford sells one also. Don't use the green Dexcool shit or others.

You can get the Zerex G-05 at most auto parts stores.
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It's an on-going nightmare. If it's any consolation, I got it halfway home Sat. Night at 1:30 am. If it was a horse I would have shot it! I'm still grinding at it.
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It's an on-going nightmare. If it's any consolation, I got it halfway home Sat. Night at 1:30 am. If it was a horse I would have shot it! I'm still grinding at it.
Halfway home? As in towing it or for the repair? Sorry it's been so much trouble but the car is 19 years old and that Coolant Outlet Housing has been a known troble spot.

Keep us posted if you're successful or not.
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When I put everything back together and started the engine it would idle as if I put the gas pedal to the floor and then go down to barely idle and then back to the floor, over and over. I packed my tools up and started it again and it did the same. I got pissed and floored it a few times and it idled properly, so I attempted to drive it home (5 Miles) and it started to rev up in drive, not safe and John R LAW behind me at 1:30 am thought I was on mushrooms. I parked it and he gave me a courtesy ride. I went back last night to check and call a tow and it stated perfectly and drove it home as if nothing ever happened!? I thought I had surely killed it as the plenum wouldn't budge until I took a claw hammer to it. I will definitely be back when able to see if its' still road worthy. Saved again by the Dodge Wizards! Thanks gentlemen!
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Sounds like you have a vacuum leak or the plenum is damaged. You should look into removing the plenum and putting a new gasket under there.
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I was afraid you might say that. Plenum wasn't going to move, late behind carwash w/flashlight got a claw hammer and pried it up and lodged thick screwdriver, and curb modified long wrench. I think the plenum might be made of hard thick plastic, claw got frustrated, but only pried front 1''. put back and now running normal and no leaks for 1/2 mile and back. Will venture out late one cool evening and find out if road worthy. Lot of questions about plenum. I saw two threaded holes on top of plenum with no bolts?, before I started. I will be back for help. I have an 06 350 Z and every time I scratch my nose I hit the wipers or lights. The Intrepid is a mans car room wise and this has 126,000, I put 115,000 on it, but as the man said it's 19 yrs. old., can't put a lot of money it and the gasket/plenum would be mf!
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Should be 8 bolts on top of the plenum. If you didn't loosen/remove all 8 then you broke something.


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Thereís also a metal tab near the rear of the engine attached to the plenum that has to be disconnected from the plenum before it can be moved more than a wiggle. IIRC, the bottom end of the tab is connected to the lower intake (I could be wrong about it being attached to the LIM).
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I concur the eight bolts on top of plenum. I watched a youtube post of the removal which only showed what it looked like before and after, but did indicate 8 bolts/8 mil socket. I was advised to raise the plenum up only enough, 3/4", to gain access to 2 back bolts of housing, and take extra precautions not to allow dust and debris into engine. When I saw the two MISSING bolts, before I started, I thought 19 years of dust and debris exposure entering in holes can't be good, but evidently it didn't kill it. FYI - the description of removal should include that there is a thin metal plate with engine description that lifts up exposing 2 of the bolts, lost 1/2 hour to figure that. But, nothing broke and my only concern was if the claw part of hammer cracked plastic plenum and it's not visible. If it would idle properly, I have no water leaks it should be as if it never happened or I have threw the timing off.
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