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post #1 of 13 (permalink) Old 02-16-2003, 03:12 PM Thread Starter
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Ontario Canada members (ban on NOS) and interested sellers of performance parts

The Government of Ontario Canada has a Bill (241) that is so loosely worded it will outlaw basically anything added to your vehicle that a Police officer might think can be used for street racing. Originally intended to outlaw NOS, Bill 241 does not specify NOS and can be taken to include anything from an aftermarket air intake to exhaust mods, bigger wheels and tires to anything that might even make your car look like a racer. This Bill should be of interest even to the countless U.S. aftermarket suppliers who would undoubtibly see a shrinking market in Ontario. Bill 124 was compared to (Toronto Star Jim Kenzie) a prostitute who wears a mini skirt, then all women who wear mini skirts would be deemed protitutes and charged same. I would ask that anyone affected by this Bill please sign the petition and spread the word.

Here's a link to the petition website and below the webpage.

To: Government Of the Province of Ontario

Hon. Ernie Eves,
Premier of Ontario
Room 281, Main Legislative Building
Toronto, Ontario
M7A 1A1

Re: Concerns Over Bill 241 - Road Safety Act, 2002

Dear Mr. Eves,

We, the undersigned, as responsible automotive enthusiasts, support the government's initiative to provide increased safety to all Ontarians on our roads, and believe strongly that the government has introduced a generally good and well intentioned piece of legislation, but a piece of legislation that needs change in the means by which it proposes to stem illegal street racing.

We believe, as your government and the public at large does, that street racing in the province is a problem that needs a set of rational enforcement and penalty solutions to combat. The currently proposed section of Bill 241 that reads:

"172.2 (1) No person shall drive or permit to be driven on a highway a motor vehicle with a prescribed part, containing a prescribed substance or equipped with prescribed equipment in prescribed circumstances. "

is potentially unjust, unfair and does not directly penalize the illegal racers, but instead will burden and hurt responsible, law abiding hobbyists, amateur and semi-professional, legal, track using race drivers and owners, as well as the already financially weakened and sparse race track facilities that exist in our province. This section as it leads today, threatens to directly discriminate against tens of thousands of hobby car enthusiasts who responsibly alter their cars, and still operate them well within the rules and regulations prescribed by the current Highway Traffic Act and Road Safety Act. Entire clubs of owners that want to fully enjoy the sport spend weekends, summers and considerable money renting track time at closed courses across the province so that the hobby can be enjoyed safely, properly, and within the confines the of law.

From an economic standpoint, this proposal will hurt legitimate local, national, and international equipment and automotive sales and service businesses, and a multi-billion dollar per year parts manufacturing industry that includes divisions of the all of the large domestic and import automobile manufacturers, as well as our own local, smaller custom parts and equipment makers. All of this translates into lost business revenues, lost jobs and lost tax revenues that the province could use to effectively combat the real problem of the racers themselves.

This bill as it stands may, as an unfortunate side effect, in fact push more people into the illegal, unsafe and reprehensible act of street racing, as the track facilities the law abiding individual could go to risk closing for lack of business, and force them to seek their currently legitimate activities in illegal ways. In the end, the only things lost are the safety of the people of Ontario, and the enjoyment and freedom of legitimate, law abiding, safe hobbyists and users of the equipment. In much the same way as unintended marine life such as dolphins are killed in wide spread gill nets for the goal of catching the desired species, this section of the proposed legislation will destroy innocent and responsible users enjoyment of their property, and the livelihoods of sellers and makers of these products and services.

The banning of substances and equipment deemed to be racing equipment in order to combat street racing is of logic similar to banning solvents because a very small percentage of people who purchase them do so to inhale the fumes and die seeking some high or rush. We who have signed on to this petition know that these substances and equipment deemed for racing are not in themselves unsafe, and in fact are as often as not better made than the original equipment they replace or add on to. It is the very small portion of the population that uses otherwise safe equipment illegally that is the problem.

We ask you, and your cabinet to review the goals of section 172.2 under the Bill, and are sure you will find that this clause will not stop street racing, but can only hurt those who use the products legally and safely. Enforcement and penalty for those illegally street racing is the only fair and just solution. Elimination of a broadly loved, and safe pastime is not.

We ask then that Part X, Section 172.2 of the proposed Road Safety Act, 2002 be removed from the legislation, and suggest that to achieve the goal of reducing or eliminating illegal street racing, that more targeted enforcement and penalties for illegal activities be this section's replacement.

We take this opportunity to thank you for your attention to our concerns, and look forward to having an opportunity to work with the government to enact fair legislation that improves road safety for all Ontarians, while not impinging on legitimate and reasonable activities of automotive enthusiasts.


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Ah man....that sucks....glad I live in the US where I can mod out my car without a cop breathing down my neck.
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This reminds me of something similar that is done in the U.K.
Don't these people get it? The harder you try to outlaw it, the more people will try to do it.
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yeah like I my Dad was drivin the car, and he got pulled over for the blue turn signals. Like honestly, what is wrong with blue turnsignals?
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Oh man that sucks, there has also been rumblings in BC over this exact issue.
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looks like you'll have to invent thinner headgaskets.
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That is a bunch of bullsh*t. I hope to gawd that doesn't happen here. Wow I'd have to move.
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That is just a big bunch of BS. There is nothing wrong with modding a car as long as it is done correctly and doesn't compromise the safety of you or others on the road. Adding an air intake, exhaust, a turbo, etc doesn't in itself compromise the safety of anyone. Just like any driver (stock car or modded car) it is their responsibility to drive within the law and responsibly. Too many chicken shit laws in both the US and in Canada.

I sure hope something like that doesn't come to the US. Although from what I hear there is something close to that in Cali. Maybe our Cali friends can elaborate more.
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Originally posted by blkbute
yeah like I my Dad was drivin the car, and he got pulled over for the blue turn signals. Like honestly, what is wrong with blue turnsignals?
Actually Laws state the only colour lights you can have for turn signals is red and amber, with red only be legal in the rear of the vehical. In the front you can only have white and amber lights.

Blue lights are for snowplows.
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I think the law says red, white, and amber.

I've got superwhite turn signals and I've used them countless times right in front of police officers, in fact I've exchanged looks with them while turning right in front of them and they don't even notice. REason, because it's not an off colour for the front, it doesn't stand out like.. red.. hey that's illegal in the front etc.

oh well.
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Blue is reserved for volunteer Firemen.... at least here in NY.
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If that bill becomes law, that would suck... although it could be fought in court. All it takes is a judge to find it too generalized as well and as long as you weren't actually racing, it should be ok. For items such as a modified air intake, you could use the argument of a slight gas mileage increase to justify the use of that product.

Anyways, not to go too much off topic, but someone started the whole light color discussion. At least here in WA state, blinkers can ONLY be red or amber... red, or course, being only in the rear. The front of the vehicle could have white or amber light, but ONLY amber light can blink. white can only be a headlight or parking light, not a blinker. Amber can also be used for brake lights too. As far as blue goes, that's reserved only for law enforcement. I've never heard of fire trucks having any color but red lights... in washington anyways.
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I first saw a post just like this one on a local forum called redliners. I signed the pettition because that bill is just far too generalized, and would hurt innocent people that are using products responsibly.

Police officials are only in it to see how much revenue they can produce. Police are busy giving tickets to people who do a rolling stop through a stop sign in an empty intersection while some people are being carjacked at gunpoint. Guess whom they don't care about. That's right, the carjacker. Put a car jacker in jail, it's not getting them that $95 fine.
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