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post #1 of 30 (permalink) Old 08-12-2003, 11:26 PM Thread Starter
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Angry 39,000 Engine Dead

I have no idea whats going on with my car but it is dead. Does anyone know of any recalls or what? 36,000 miles fine 39,000 miles warrenty ends at 36,000 $11,000 still owed and no running car go figure. I just put over $5,000 into dressing it up and cant even drive it. Its never been beat on and now it doesnt run. I brought it up to the Dodge dealer I bought it from (Bedard Bros. in Pittsfield Ma.) cause I heard a ticking noise comming from the engine and they tell me its the lifters so I ask them will it be ok to drive till my appointment and the guy there tells me just check the fluids and it should be ok and that if the engine light comes on dont drive it . Well the engine light didnt come on and my car is not running at all . Dont get me wrong I love my Intrepid but I have never in my life seen anything like this. I have a 89 Ford Mustang GT with over 75,000 miles on it and havent had one major problem yet (and thats 14yrs old not 3yrs). So you can see why im so boggeled with this. I just hope dodge doesnt give me a run around when it goes into the shop next Monday. There is no way I should have such a major problem with only 39,000 miles on it. I also believe that I (nor should anyone else) be held responsible for paying for this kind of repair. I will let everyone know what happens with this situation cause im going there tomorrow to discuss it with Dodge. Any suggestions on how to solve this matter would be helpful. I just pray that Dodge will fix this and not run from the problem like so many other companys do. Till tomorrow. I will let you know. Lets all hope that Dodge will honor there name as one of the best dealerships in America.
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Say, you wounldn't happen to have a 2.7L in there, would you?
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A ha! Yes, several 2.7 owners have posted about extensive premature damage on their 2.7 due to oil clogging caused by lack of proper pressure in the crank case. If you go to the 2nd Generation General Discussion forums and search "gunk," I am sure you will find plenty of information for what you need.
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maybe i should tell my brother in law to sell his '99 before it croaks
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Roooooooooooxannneneeeeeeeeeee!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Sorry, I saw you were listening to that, so I had to sing along. Anyways, this seems to be a problem with 2.7s, but mostly only with the pre-01s or so because at some point, there was an upgrade to the system made by DaimlerChrysler.
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Humm........ I have 72K on my 2001 2.7 and I have not had any problems at all. Still runs like new......... But hearing stories such as this one and others, got me on edge about the future. But I have put too much into my Trepid so if the 2.7 goes out I'm going to say hello to a 3.2L or 3.5L engine switch.........
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I might too ,but i am thinkin about a 99 gran prix GTP if the trep goes out.
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A familiar story

I too blew my engine, yes a 2.7...I was on vacation and my crank disintegrated three hundred miles from home...had to stick it with some small town mechanic who charged me 4,700.00 !!!!! ended up with a new rebuilt...apparently these engines are very hard to find (probably because they suck!!! )as such I paid almost 3,400 for the engine. Stupid mechanic had my car for a month! Apparently I had the same problem everyone with this engine seems to have...gunk...lots of it..When he put the engine in I think he wired incorrectly, he blew the main computer and at least two sensors...I finally picked up the car last week...only to find that I also had a bad ignition coil...I replaced that but now have another problem...when I start the car in the AM it sounds horrible (possible muffler hole?) in addition it bucks really bad, feels like Im out of gas...I limp along for a few minutes and the problem dissipates...at first I thought it might be another ignition coil, but now someone told me it might be the coolant temp sensor? not telling the computer to feed more gas at colder temps?. In anycase I,m ready to stop payment on the credit card to this mechanic....he quite obviously, and painfully didnt know what he was doing....can anyone offer any feedback on my current problem? any help would be appreciated...I'd hate to have to put it back in the shop. but Im not sure what else to do

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Humm........ I have 72K on my 2001 2.7 and I have not had any problems at all. Still runs like new......... But hearing stories such as this one and others, got me on edge about the future. But I have put too much into my Trepid so if the 2.7 goes out I'm going to say hello to a 3.2L or 3.5L engine switch.........
SAME(107,000 kms)
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regarding the switch to 3.2 or other....when I was estimating the cost of repair I was told that I couldnt make the switch...the 3.? engines are MUCH cheaper than the 2.7...can this switch actually be done?
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The 2.7 is an expensive motor because it is DaimlerChrysler, not plain old Chrysler. Although smaller in displacement, it did get dual overhead camshafts, so there actually is more work involved.

The small-timing mechanic either lied to you or looked in the wrong place for a 2.7 because there are plenty of them out there if you know where to look. Obviously you can imagine that he most likely lied to you because, well, you really did not have much choice so he took advantage.

The 3.2 and 3.5 motors seem to be pretty much identical save for the displacement because many of the part numbers for the engines are identical. A swap can be done and there have been a few members who have attempted and/or did the swap. You're going to have to search the forums to find it because there are many instances where people have done it.
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I've got 76.5k on my 2.7L and no signs of engine wear or anything yet...I'm very happy with it, runs like new still...Input sensor went bad, but thats the only thing that has been replaced, its a 99' SE.
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68K GOD I HOPE NOTHING HAPPENS AS MY BRO BOUGHT IT ON MY SUGGESTION!! AND AFTER RENTING AND DRVING TO DOWN DOUTH for 3 grand mile trip and then renting it again for cali on a 4.5 grand mile trip........both 2.7 and had fun time..i keep a close eye on oil change and ofcourse usee full synthetic mobil 1 and highefficency filter by mobil 1 11 buckS
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Synthetic oil will prevent gunk from forming and very very very slowly remove any old gunk.

As far as the dead 2.7, your best bet is to try to work with your dealer if that fails send letters to ALL and ANY Dodge/DaimlerChrysler executives you can. Complaint letters generaly work and VERY well if you mange to get it in the hands of some big boss.

If your dealer doesn't do much of anything, and they probably won't. Warranty is out so you're out of luck as far as the dealer is concerned.
Try letters to higher ups, like the owner of the dealership. Make it very nice, faithfull Dodge customer yadda yadda, love my car, treated it like a baby, just out of warranty and it broke.

This isn't a step by step process, write letters to Dodge execs right now, even if the dealer is taking care of the problem or claiming to it's good to have back up plans. Just don't take "Sorry you're out of warranty" as an answer. You can probably find high level points of contact in their financial reports etc. Don't bother with the "common" means of contact (the PR department is there to ignore you).


As far as the 2.7 engine, well it's got heat issues, it tends to overheat at times and thus burn oil resulting in gunk. Gunk can strike generaly after 30k, most often at 40-60k.

Most people with gunk problems after warranty (even on extended warranty) get screwed with gunk. Reason is that extended warranty doesn't cover "negligence" and gunk is seen as proof of late oil chagnes despite the fact that 2.7 burns oil regularly.

If you have a 2.7 now syntethic oil will almost guanrantee that you will not have a gunk issue. Synthetic oil does not oxidize at anywhere near the same rate as natural oil. More importantly it slowly loosens the gunk that's already formed and removes it.

Quick way to check for gunk is to look at your oilcap, it should not have anything slimey or sticky.

If you wonder why I know so much about the 2.7 it's cause I was in the market for a Chrysler Concorde recently and I tend to do my research. I ended up getting an LXi just to avoid the 2.7.

Also, I'm fairly sure that there are plans by some group to sue DaimlerChrysler for the engine issues, look it up on google.
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