EVIC PSI Tire Sensor Question - DodgeIntrepid.Net Forums - Dodge Intrepid, Concorde, 300m and Eagle Vision chat
Reply
 
LinkBack Thread Tools Rate Thread Display Modes
post #1 of 18 (permalink) Old 09-18-2003, 11:16 PM Thread Starter
 
Join Date: Sep 2003
Posts: 11
Feedback: 0 / 0%
 
EVIC PSI Tire Sensor Question

I just got my EVIC-psi. It was quickly bolted into my 2000 LHS, replacing the OTIS.

I have not yet installed my pressure sensors, but wanted to program them anyway.

I went to the appropriate menu and the EVIC instructed me to train the left front wheel.

With the sensor in my hand, I put the training magnet over the valve stem . . . . NOTHING. The activity timed out and I restarted the process, using a different sensor. Nothing still. None of the sensors will program.

Can anyone tell me if the sensors need to be pressurised to work or something?

Thanks

Last edited by bramfrank; 09-19-2003 at 11:42 PM.
bramfrank is offline  
Sponsored Links
Advertisement
 
post #2 of 18 (permalink) Old 09-18-2003, 11:32 PM
Intrepid Pro
 
Gorm's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jan 2003
Location: Iowa
Posts: 7,101
Feedback: 20 / 100%
                     
There is probably incificient pressure in the normal air for the PSI moniter to detect anything.

--Gorm
Gorm is offline  
post #3 of 18 (permalink) Old 09-18-2003, 11:43 PM Thread Starter
 
Join Date: Sep 2003
Posts: 11
Feedback: 0 / 0%
 
If you think about it, if a tire deflated when the car was parked, the sensor would need to communicate the fact to the EVIC. So it MUST be able to send 'zero pounds relative pressure' messages.

So unless it requires initial tire pressure to actually turn the transmitter on in the first place, I for one would have expected to be able to 'learn' the sensors. Does this make sense?

I don't want to pay to mount 5 transmitters only to find out that there's something wrong with the EVIC - or the transmitters (though they DO look to be brand new).

Seems to me that you had some spare transmitters? If they're new, you might want to try an experiment - try learning one of your new sensors to your car - if indeed these things need to be pressurised to start them up, you will not be able to learn the unmounted sensor.

On the other hand, if the unit DOES learn, I have an EVIC problem and will need to negotiate a return to the person who sold me the package.

It IS pretty though.

Last edited by bramfrank; 09-19-2003 at 11:43 PM.
bramfrank is offline  
Sponsored Links
Advertisement
 
post #4 of 18 (permalink) Old 09-19-2003, 12:22 AM
Intrepid Pro
 
Gorm's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jan 2003
Location: Iowa
Posts: 7,101
Feedback: 20 / 100%
                     
Did you buy this from an auction on ebay recently? If so Talk to Wire2 he is the seller of this item and may be able to provide you some help.

--Gorm
Gorm is offline  
post #5 of 18 (permalink) Old 09-19-2003, 01:41 AM
Intrepid Pro
 
DjPiLL's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jun 2001
Location: New York City
Posts: 4,739
Feedback: 1 / 100%
                     
I do not think the sensors will train unless they are mounted to the wheel.
DjPiLL is offline  
post #6 of 18 (permalink) Old 09-19-2003, 07:44 AM
Intrepid Pro
 
Avenger's Avatar
 
Join Date: Sep 2001
Location: Kitchener, Ontario
Posts: 11,960
Feedback: 10 / 100%
                     
YES, YOU CAN TRAIN THE SENSORS IN YOUR HAND! I've done it while I was sitting in the car. Just put the EVIC into training mode and put the magnet over one of the sensors in your hand.......and wait a couple seconds......the car SHOULD beep. If not, I have no idea what's wrong???



Avenger is offline  
post #7 of 18 (permalink) Old 09-19-2003, 11:09 AM
Intrepid Modder
 
Join Date: Mar 2003
Location: USA
Posts: 307
Feedback: 0 / 0%
                     
I was having some problems with a couple of sensors that I had bought that were not training on the wheel. I was told by the parts guy at Dodge that they SHOULD train without being on the wheel. If they don't, they are dead and you have to replace that sensor since they are non-serviceable. Even tried at the dealership training them out of the wheel and they worked. Gives an error message on the EVIC. :p
tx2002intrep is offline  
post #8 of 18 (permalink) Old 09-19-2003, 01:18 PM Thread Starter
 
Join Date: Sep 2003
Posts: 11
Feedback: 0 / 0%
 
Well, based on what I was told I went and paid the local Goodyear Centre (can you tell I'm Canadian?) to mount the 5 sensors.

Unit STILL will not train on ANY of them.

I brought up the self test - it passed

I brought up the statistics display and obviously, since nothing's trained, I don't get any counts.

Given how unlikely it is for five brand new sensors to be completely dead, it seems to me like the PSI feature on the EVIC is not working. That's 'good' because I don't want to pay another $64 plus tax to change out the sensors.

The Homelink works, as does the trip computer, distance to service, compass and thermometer, so it isn't a wiring problem

Anyone have any bright ideas? Perhaps completely disconnecting the module and reconnecting it?

I've written to the person who sold the sysem to me, but it's too soon to have heard back.

ANY suggestions welcome.

Last edited by bramfrank; 09-19-2003 at 03:17 PM.
bramfrank is offline  
post #9 of 18 (permalink) Old 09-19-2003, 01:28 PM
 
Join Date: Sep 2001
Posts: 8,099
Feedback: 0 / 0%
               
my spare tire is trained and in my center console.

they do not need to be mounted to train
IntrepidXJ is offline  
post #10 of 18 (permalink) Old 09-19-2003, 03:04 PM Thread Starter
 
Join Date: Sep 2003
Posts: 11
Feedback: 0 / 0%
 
Well, I had a bright idea.

I went by a local D-C dealer and asked the service advisor for help (OK, they were clued out - started talking about wiring modifications - what modifications? - and warranties being void - mine expired last month), then I parked my LHS next to a EVIC-PSI equipped Pacifica they had on their lot and put my EVIC into learn-mode.

Yup, my EVIC learned the Pacifica's transponder. I then moved through MY transponders to fill in the rest of the blanks and not one was learned.

So if they indeed are learnable off the car (and the seller had told me they needed to be mounted and pressurised before they started transmitting) then I received 5 dead transponders (brand new, by the way) and wasted $74 (including tax) installing them.

I wonder if the fact that the magnet was inside the package might have discharged the batteries?

Arghhhhhhh !!!!!

Last edited by bramfrank; 09-19-2003 at 03:10 PM.
bramfrank is offline  
post #11 of 18 (permalink) Old 09-19-2003, 09:49 PM
Intrepid Pro
 
Gorm's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jan 2003
Location: Iowa
Posts: 7,101
Feedback: 20 / 100%
                     
Again if they are dead. Talk to the seller. Hes very interesting in helping you get them fixed!

--Gorm
Gorm is offline  
post #12 of 18 (permalink) Old 09-19-2003, 10:19 PM
Intrepid Pro
 
DjPiLL's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jun 2001
Location: New York City
Posts: 4,739
Feedback: 1 / 100%
                     
Damm... I am sorry to hear about your bad experience. Ive sold many an EVIC package with sensors and only one of my buyers have had issues with training. And his issues from what I hear are very intermittent. I sent him replacement sensors... didnt help. Sent him a replacement EVIC+... didnt help either. Some people ive learned just have overall trouble getting this working. Probably cause in reality... these EVIC+ units and sensors are really not made for our Treps. But what can you do?

Contact the seller that sold you the sensors. I know that I always stock extra sensors in case soneone that buys stuff from me needs spares. If your seller absolutely jerks you over... and you can't get any help from him... throw me a PM and ill try to help you out. I feel bad. I could probably send you a sensor for a nominal fee to see if that helps you. I know Intrepid99 had sensors, but I dont know if he has anymore.

Let us know how it works out. Where did you get this package from? Care to say who? (It wasn't me... that I know).

DjPiLL
2010 Jeep Wrangler Sahara
2011 Audi S5 Cabriolet
DjPiLL is offline  
post #13 of 18 (permalink) Old 09-19-2003, 10:21 PM
Intrepid Pro
 
DjPiLL's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jun 2001
Location: New York City
Posts: 4,739
Feedback: 1 / 100%
                     
One other thing. Ottowrkr once told me that the batteries in these sensors are made to last 5-10 years easy. So since these sensors debuted in the 2002 model line (one year ago)... i highly doubt the batteries are just dead like that. But I could be wrong I guess.
DjPiLL is offline  
post #14 of 18 (permalink) Old 09-19-2003, 11:38 PM Thread Starter
 
Join Date: Sep 2003
Posts: 11
Feedback: 0 / 0%
 
Seller checked his inventory and confirms that a number of his are non-functional. I believe it's because he probably stored the sensors next to his collection of training magnets.

Consider that the training magnet causes the sensor to transmit continuously, instead of the usual once-per-hour (when not in motion) which is a majority of the time.

I'm guessing that the battery has 7-10 year life based on an average of one hour or two of driving per day, the rest once-per-hour.

So essentially they completely drained.

Seller has sent another full set of sensors by express mail and tells me he has included 'a token amount to help offset your install costs' - certainly not unfair, but it would have been better if he covered the entire first install cost or better yet, if I could have managed to get D-C to pay for the replacements under warranty.

But unless it was on the car from the factory (where it would be covered under the 3 year) - or purchased from a dealer as an accessory (which would provide a one year warranty, but would not cover labour), SOL.

So even though it cost me a bit of aggravation, all's well that (hopefully) ends well.

So that everyone knows . . . . .

1. The senders can be programmed off-vehicle.
2. Test them by learning them before you spend the $$$ to install them.

Also - I AM STILL ON THE LOOKOUT FOR A 2001-2004 LHS/300M BCM for a reasonable price.

Thanks for the information and offers of support. Hopefully I'll be able to get a number of years of trouble-free service from these senders . . . and I won't have to appeal to everyone's generosity down the line.

Last edited by bramfrank; 09-20-2003 at 09:51 AM.
bramfrank is offline  
post #15 of 18 (permalink) Old 09-19-2003, 11:40 PM
Intrepid Pro
 
DjPiLL's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jun 2001
Location: New York City
Posts: 4,739
Feedback: 1 / 100%
                     
Ahhhhh... you know I never realized that. If you store the magnet with the sensors... it can trigger them. Hmmmm... interesting find... ill have to keept hat in mind.
DjPiLL is offline  
Sponsored Links
Advertisement
 
Reply

Quick Reply
Message:
Options

Register Now



In order to be able to post messages on the DodgeIntrepid.Net Forums - Dodge Intrepid, Concorde, 300m and Eagle Vision chat forums, you must first register.
Please enter your desired user name, your email address and other required details in the form below.

Member names may only be composed of alpha-numeric characters. (A-Z and 0-9)

!!ATTENTION ADVERTISERS!! If you intend on advertising anything on this forum, whatsoever, you are required to first contact us here . Additionaly, we do NOT allow BUSINESS NAMES unless you are an Authorized Vendor. If you own a business, and want to do sales on this site via posting or private message, you will need to follow the rules. Shops, Stores, Distributors, Group Buys without being authorized will see your account terminated.

User Name:
Password
Please enter a password for your user account. Note that passwords are case-sensitive.

Password:


Confirm Password:
Email Address
Please enter a valid email address for yourself.

Email Address:
OR

Log-in










Thread Tools
Show Printable Version Show Printable Version
Email this Page Email this Page
Display Modes Rate This Thread
Linear Mode Linear Mode
Rate This Thread:



Posting Rules  
You may post new threads
You may post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off
Trackbacks are On
Pingbacks are On
Refbacks are On

 
For the best viewing experience please update your browser to Google Chrome