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Yes I know there's been a lot of hybrid talk. But I don't know if any of them are going to stand the test of time. I've been seriously looking at them and now with the Dodge's Hybrid, the ford escape, the chevy silverado, or simply the prius. What's going to last, have easy maintnance, and just an good overall vehicle? What do you guys think?

Anyways, during my research I came across www.planetkaizen.com and took their gear test. I got a six. If you all take it, let me know what you get?
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6 as well.
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Woohoo! I got a 9! They offered me a job! (because I'm sure they just pick employees at random off the internet)

Meanwhile, I think hybrids are here to stay, at least until we can find a reliable and cost-efficient alternate fuel source. I don't think there are neccesarily inherent reliability issues with the system, although repairs will undoubtedly be expensive if they should arise. However, the reduced fuel use should compensate for the extra money spent on repairs (and, well, the environmental benefit is good for everyone). And, given the rise of normal cars being given the Hybrid treatment (i.e. the Accord, the Highlander, the Escape, etc.), it shows a growing acceptance on the part of the North American public.
Oh, and what hybrids are Dodge doing? I heard of a hybrid Durango, but that must've been four years ago.
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sorry but wtf is hybrid ? lmao like flexfuel on the 3.3 that never went anywere ?
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No, a hybrid is a combination gas-electric vehicle (the most famous being the Toyota Prius). It can run on either it's gas or electric engines, or both. The gas engine and a variety of other features are used to recharge the battery (so you never have to plug it in). They get good fuel economy, although generally, not as good as the EPA predicts (although it's at least better than what cars of a comperable size would get, without the emissions issues of diesels).
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If VW produced a Diesel in this country I would buy one tomorrow but I guess I'll have to wait until the Jeep Liberty Diesel comes on the market. The new Diesel engines burn much cleaner and with low sulfer fuel soon to be on the market will show up on more models. The fuel economy is about as good as the hybrids and the production costs will be lower. They are much simpler than the hybirds and given proper care and feeding will outlast the hybrids. Those battery packs cost a fortune to replace. Just my $0.02.

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Ahem, there are TDi models of the Beetle, Golf, Jetta, Passat, and Touareg.

And, yes, no doubt diesels are much cleaner burning now than they used to be, but they're still not up to the standards of gas engines (I believe). If nothing else, hybrids undoubtedly have lower emissions then diesels.
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Yes there are many VW diesels. None of them with US content. Being on S.S. and Medicare, I prefer to support the people in this country who pay into the system as I did and still do part time. Just my $0.02.

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Oh, sorry, I misinterpreted you. I thought you meant sold in the US, not containing US content. Alright, yeah, makes sense.
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ok. i read somewere along time ago diesles wont stall in water is this true ?
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So what's the difference between this sysfreak guy who comes in here for the first time and posts a link to some website and the ones before who just recently did the same with some links to what I believe is some Religious websites.

Personally, this thread is started by a troll who is looking to just create buzz for his or her website and has no interest in our community whatsoever. If those other threads got binned, then this one should get binned as well.
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its still nice to know. i had no clue wtf a hybrid was but in general whats hybrid ? i dont feel like going to dictionary.com
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actually, VW was selling a diesel Rabbit (Golf) here in the U.S. back in the mid 80's. It was rated at something like almost 50 mpg highway. Don't know why they stopped selling it. Probably because alot of gas stations don't carry Diesel fuel. As far as Hybrids...better get used to them. With the increasing emisssion standards, they're here to stay.
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The VW Rabit diesel and the GM diesel engines of the 80's were converted gasoline engines and were not very good. The new diesel engines are a great departure from the older ones. They burn cleaner and with the addition of emission controls and low sulfur fuel will give great mileage without all the high tech gizmos of the hybrids. Just my $0.02.

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smc1377 - Unless the guy works for Toyota, the website is most definitly not his (it's Toyota's website, it's all to do with their different advancements

cobra65 - As I said earlier, VW still makes diesel versions of almost all their cars (the only exception being the Phaeton), and as FredB has pointed out, they've gotten considerably better. I've driven a Jetta TDi, and you have to pay attention to tell that it's a diesel. It's fairly quiet, it doesn't belch fumes (well, at least you can't see them anymore, and they've apparantly gotten much cleaner, I'd be interested to see how they compare to gasoline emmissions).

FredB - I agree that technological gadgetry isn't neccesarily a good thing (I'm still a little irked at the keyless ignition in the C6 Corvette), but at least in the case of hybrids, it is serving a specific purpose. In addition, as I'm interpreting it, hybrids are essentially the combination of many technologies which we've been using for years. It will undoubtedly be expensive when something breaks, but, on the other hand, I think we can expect (like any new technology) to see the prices on these items drop in the following years. It will be interesting to see how diesels and hybrids advance in North America.
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