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post #1 of 32 (permalink) Old 12-06-2004, 05:34 PM Thread Starter
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Quick question, debating whether or not to rotate my father's tires. He recently bought two brand new tires for the rear of the car, and up front he had older tires which have about 5-10k miles left on them (due to low tire pressure from leaks). Cant afford 2 more tires...not putting money into the old car.

Its a 1990 Pontiac 6000, FWD, no ABS or TRAC and the question is, what would be better, new tires up front or keep them out back? Having new ones up front, less slippage in snow and more control for steering and braking, but allow rear end to come out more. With current set up, steering might as well be absent with snow, but rear end may not come out due to traction, braking would take more distance.

I would like to change the new ones up front for...drifting purposes, but since i dont drive it daily i want whats safest for my father. PS. they're 195/70R15's size tires, skinnies as i like to call them. (compared to 225 tread)
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Put the new tires up front. If you seriously have problems with the rear swinging out like some tire stores want to claim will happen you need some driving lessons. Put the newer tires where they will do the most good, on the end that drives and steers the vehicle!!!
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Yup... new tyres on the front most definitely. They have to do the most work.
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yes. the bad looking tires will not really change on the rear end because those just follow the front tires.

though if you drift. witch i do because my back 2 are just about shot its only one bad rainy days doing 35 around turns. just go 15 around turns and youll be fine.
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Try controlling a car on ice or snow with a flat front tire some time and then ask why you want the good tires in front...
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You obviously understand the pro's and con's.

Now it's up to you on which you think are more important.

I've always put the better tires in front on a fwd but coincedence or not, I first experienced the rear swinging around in a Pontiac 6000.
Something to think about there.

If your Father is anything like mine, getting older and not as quick at correcting a slide as he used to be able too, then I'd keep the good ones on the rear.

You may not have as much traction off a green light in the snow but that constant reminder that things are slippery might save your Dad and his 6000.

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Thanks for the responses guys, looks like ill probly have them switched for my pops, he's only 48, so his reflexes arent that bad. Plus he has about 70 pounds of stuff in the trunk (tools and spare), so it should add some weight, being that a 6000 is supposedly a 3000 pound car...
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contrary to all other posts,

if you are looking for control on a fwd, put the better tread on the rear, to prevent it from sliding . at least with the poorer tires on the front, you will be able to feel the front end slipping and be able to correct.

it is not a tire shop myth or a marketing ploy,
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contrary to all other posts,

if you are looking for control on a fwd, put the better tread on the rear, to prevent it from sliding . at least with the poorer tires on the front, you will be able to feel the front end slipping and be able to correct.

it is not a tire shop myth or a marketing ploy,
I'd normally say put the good tires up front, since they do all the steering, power, and most of the braking.. but i remember hearing that for a fwd car in the snow you want the good tires in back. For exactly the purposes that SAT098 outlined
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Put the new tires on the front. If the tires are spinning due to lack of traction you are not going to move. As for the ass of the car sliding. If there is any tred on the tires and the ass is sliding, someone is driving too fast for the road conditions.
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id ddef say front, you'll get no traction trying to get uphill in the snow. its not fun geettin stuck when you dont have an lsd.
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if you are looking for control on a fwd, put the better tread on the rear, to prevent it from sliding . at least with the poorer tires on the front, you will be able to feel the front end slipping and be able to correct.

it is not a tire shop myth or a marketing ploy,
If you serisouly need new tires on the back of your car to keep it under control you need to go back to driver's ed class...
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If you serisouly need new tires on the back of your car to keep it under control you need to go back to driver's ed class...

How much driving on snow and ice do you do in Austin TX ?
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How much driving on snow and ice do you do in Austin TX ?

"As a general rule, to maintain control and stability of your vehicle you should install identical tires on all wheels. Avoid mixing tires with different tread patterns, internal construction or size, unless specified by the vehicle manufacturer.

The traditional wisdom from the days when almost all vehicles were rear wheel drive (RWD), was to mount two snow tires for winter driving on the drive wheels. The rationale was that this would provide the best forward traction.

However, the driving dynamics of FWD vehicles in conditions of poor traction are very different from those of RWD vehicles. Vehicles equipped with FWD need both linear (forward) traction, and lateral traction, particularly on the rear wheels, to prevent spin-out and loss of control.

For safe operation in snow, FWD vehicles should be equipped with four good snow tires two on the front for linear traction, and two on the rear for lateral traction to control skid and spin-out."
quote taken from Transport Canada website on driving in snow
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dbaudiopro, that is true, not much show down there. As for going out of control on a front wheel drive car with bad rear tires, it is not that hard to do in the snow, if you are going just a little to fast around a curve. Once again though if you are spinning out even with bad tires, you are driving too fast for the condition of the roads and the condition of the vehicle.
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