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Question Not If, but WHY?

OK, we've all seen the recent threads asking if the Intrepid is dead. My question is: Why? I see treps everywhere I go, millions were sold, there is a ravenous fan base (as evidenced in this forum). So why would DC kill what appears to be a very successful line?
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I think they flipped a coin for the decision
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Maybe they didn't want it to turn into the Taurus, on and on and on
Maybe sales weren't competitive enough. I got mine with some incentives
I think DCX is simply trying to introduce new unique cars to draw interest in the brand.
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I agree that you need to continue to draw interest, but most companies do that by building on their brand rather than starting over. I guess some marketing guy at DCX figured the Charger name would bring more excitement and association with racing. You can see that with the amount linkage they're trying to get with Richard Petty and the video clip that was up on the web.

I've never been a huge Taurus fan, but take another example: can you imagine Toyota getting rid of the Camry b/c they wanted to create interest the brand with a new model?

Maybe they'll prove me wrong and the Charger will be huge, but judging from the mixed response I've seen so far, that is not a given.

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This has been discussed numerous times before. The RWD LX cars were slated to replace the LH's anyways, since their platforms and times were up. Chrysler is not like everyone else, they actually have the guts to do something bold and different. Examples being: 94 Ram, 97 Dakota, 93 Intrepid, 94 Neon....love it or hate it they still did it. Sales were declining and Chrysler is getting out of the large FWD car business for now. Some may like it, some may not....the point is that they need successful quality products to expand the business.
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This has been discussed numerous times before. The RWD LX cars were slated to replace the LH's anyways, since their platforms and times were up. Chrysler is not like everyone else, they actually have the guts to do something bold and different. Examples being: 94 Ram, 97 Dakota, 93 Intrepid, 94 Neon....love it or hate it they still did it. Sales were declining and Chrysler is getting out of the large FWD car business for now. Some may like it, some may not....the point is that they need successful quality products to expand the business.
I think what he meant was why didn't Chrysler keep the name. I agree that Chrysler needs to introduce new products, but that doesn't mean they can't keep the name. Though I don't know if the Intrepid name would have been right for the LX's since they are very different from what the intrepid was.
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I think it's the numerous lawsuits that have been brought and continue being brought against DaimlerChrysler for what is arguably the most grossly defective steering system in automotive history. The tie-rods continue to come off of the steering gears causing massive accidents. The government turns a blind eye and people continue to die.

The only solution to the problem was to discontinue the entire product line. And how!
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I think it's the numerous lawsuits that have been brought and continue being brought against DaimlerChrysler for what is arguably the most grossly defective steering system in automotive history. The tie-rods continue to come off of the steering gears causing massive accidents. The government turns a blind eye and people continue to die.

The only solution to the problem was to discontinue the entire product line. And how!
Gee, never had a problem with mine.
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Um...yeah...I've yet to hear of any other instances where "The tie-rods continue to come off of the steering gears causing massive accidents."

The Intrepid name has been around for about 10 years...that's longer than many nameplates last. The 300 was slated to replace the FWD platform anyway... I personally like the change.....
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I agree that you need to continue to draw interest, but most companies do that by building on their brand rather than starting over. I guess some marketing guy at DCX figured the Charger name would bring more excitement and association with racing. You can see that with the amount linkage they're trying to get with Richard Petty and the video clip that was up on the web.

I've never been a huge Taurus fan, but take another example: can you imagine Toyota getting rid of the Camry b/c they wanted to create interest the brand with a new model?

Maybe they'll prove me wrong and the Charger will be huge, but judging from the mixed response I've seen so far, that is not a given.
Chrysler changed platforms for several reasons. For starters, the 2nd gen 'treps were 6 years old, long overdue for a change. 2. Chrysler went to RWD. So they need a new platform. 3. It wasn't the name "intrepid" that made it what it was, it was the overall build quality. So when they replace the intrepid, as long as they still give customers what they want, with the same built quality, they will do fine. BTW the 300 and 300C are still selling like hot cakes, so it looks like it was a good move for the company, and the customers have proven that it is a vehicle that they want.

And finally, the Camry has gone through platform changes in it's long life. That's what Chrysler did. Only, Chrysler gave it a new name.

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Maybe I was the only person paying attention to the huge government inquiry into the THOUSANDS of vehicles stranded at dealerships in the 90s as a result of the steering problems. Anyone remember the Chrysler dealers lots overflowing with these cars and the factory denying there was a problem?

This is not to mention the dozens of deaths caused by the LH sedans spontaneously losing steering control. This inquiry was ended by the Bush administration's NHTSA.

http://www.daimlerchryslervehicleproblems.com is a site with a lot of information on the problems. It's biased the other way, but these people actually experienced the failure.

I own one, I know. If I didn't have $2000 to spend fixing this problem at my own expense, I'd be driving an inherently dangerous vehicle. My left tie-rod's bolt was BROKEN OFF and was hanging on without a head. And I have an allegedly-fixed 1997 model.

Believe me, THIS was the reason the LH died. Any decent mechanic will tell you that these cars have an inherently problematic and, some would say, dangerous steering design.

The liability issues alone necessitated a from-scratch design.
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http://www.daimlerchryslervehicleproblems.com is a site with a lot of information on the problems. It's biased the other way, but these people actually experienced the failure.
The site is heavily biased information. So biased, it's not even worth the time it takes to load it up (which is fast on my cable connection). These people experienced the problem, but since this is a biased site, we are only getting a fraction of the story.

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Believe me, THIS was the reason the LH died. Any decent mechanic will tell you that these cars have an inherently problematic and, some would say, dangerous steering design.

The liability issues alone necessitated a from-scratch design.
The age issue necessitated a "from-scratch" design. The steering issue, despite "dozens of deaths", does not cost-justify a "from-scratch" design of the entire vehicle. At most it would constitude a front end redesign.

And many mechanics I know say that they intrepid is a solid and reliable car. I even know several mechanics and engineers that own intrepids.

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We will stand in complete disagreement on this issue.

I believe Chrysler discontinued the LH because it's an inherently dangerous product that, without constant care taken to the steering gear, bolt torque, and bushing condition, will inevitably fail. American car consumers do not take care of their vehicles like you and I do...they don't do scheduled maintenance. They do tires and oil changes. Without proper, competent maintenance, the LH is absolutely the most unreliable American car that I've ever encountered. They require diligent care. And with a steering system THIS fragile, one can see with their own eyes how failure is inevitable.

I believe DaimlerChrysler's German leadership wanted a car in this class that truly represented the cutting edge of German (not American) technology. Slowly and systematically, they're eliminating all true "Chrysler" products and replacing them with cars like the LX...American styling on what is basically a German platform.

I'm not bashing the LH here, I love my Concorde. It's just plain as day why the LH is gone now. Whether or not you choose to acknowledge this is your own business.
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Without proper, competent maintenance, the LH is absolutely the most unreliable American car that I've ever encountered.
Go buy newer mercury cougar or certain newer fords. You will then think different about the LH models. My buddys cougar was in the shop more than the road. My other friends 2001 escort had electrical problems at 20K. And my buddie's mom has a focus that need brakes and front end work at 10K.....Ford's new slogan should be "Built for the repairshop ahead".
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I believe Chrysler discontinued the LH because it's an inherently dangerous product that, without constant care taken to the steering gear, bolt torque, and bushing condition, will inevitably fail. American car consumers do not take care of their vehicles like you and I do...they don't do scheduled maintenance. They do tires and oil changes. Without proper, competent maintenance, the LH is absolutely the most unreliable American car that I've ever encountered. They require diligent care. And with a steering system THIS fragile, one can see with their own eyes how failure is inevitable.
The LH may be the most unreliable car you've ever encountered, but that is far from classifying it as unreliable. The ball joint problem, popular in the 1st gens, is significantly reduced in 2nd gens, proving that a redesign take this "inherently dangerous" product and makes it a rather safe vehicle.

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I'm not bashing the LH here, I love my Concorde. It's just plain as day why the LH is gone now. Whether or not you choose to acknowledge this is your own business.
It's not that I chose not to acknowledge it, it's that I find it hard to acknowledge. Why? As complex as a FWD assembly is, it is nothing that a good re-design can't fix. Look at the differences between the 1st gen and 2nd gen LH's, and that is all that it took to greatly reduce, if not eliminate the ball-joint problems. A problem with a bushing and steering gear would not constitute a discontinuation of a popular american vehicle. This is what I find hard to believe.

You have to also look at the fact that, after 6 years, the intrepid had bland styling (w.r.t. many new vehicles on the road). And in a time when many companies are moving to RWD, the older LH platform simply wouldn't suffice.

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