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Radar Detectors

Ok, So which Radar Detector is the best?

It's my time to invest into one again.

I've had the BEST experience with remote mounted units.
I've had WORST experience with windshield mounted units.
(Yeah, the 360 degree protection.. pfft!)

The reason why I'm asking is cuz I've had K40 (remote mounted unit) before and It worked wonders. Saved my ass many times.
Right now, Escort SRX and SR-1 are extremely good units as well, however price prohibitive. ($1000 wtf!) If maybe you guys wanna start a group buy on these two, I can talk to them (I got a connection inside BELTRONICS/ESCORT)

The main reason why I'm asking is I got pulled over by an ACURA RSX today, dark blue with tints. Go figure. Uniformed cop with a radar in the rear panel....
WTF is this world coming to?!

Let's FIGHT BACK!

So, what's your choice, and don't just say things outta your ass, talk objectively, good and bad. Don't come in here and say "mine gets as much range as a local FM station." - or shit like that, stay objective.
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i hear the valentine is good
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I had a K40 in my previous car but now have a Passport 8500. I loved the K40, but the Passport has done just as well IMHO. I actually still have the K40 that I am interested in selling if you're interesting in owning another one (PM me if you want more details). It has a brand new rear antenna and harness that has never been installed and the control unit is in mint condition (the front antenna and laser antenna look used, but are 100% functional). Before the Passport I would have never dreamed of owning a dash mount detector, but it has served me well on numerous occassions. I've also compared it with the Valentine 1 unit and was very impressed at how comparable it was in range and functionality for the difference in price...
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damn, i don't know if i'd wanna spend that much $$$ or any more than $200 on a radar detector, unless it has an lcd screen and a motorized arm that automatically wipes my ass for me if i take it to the bathroom.

But seriously, with beltronics, their only good stuff is the expenseive stuff, in oder words, $200 if not more.

I have one of those cobra (only like $120) ones (windshield mounted) and its given me mixed results. At times i've looked in the rearview mirror and see the cop slowing closing up from far away and by the time it goes off im like "no shit you dumb piece of crap", but then other times, like school zones, seriously, who drives 15mph??? and they've had speed traps in those school zones and its saved my ass a bunch of times, because i know i'll get a ticket for 28 in the 15 zone.

If a good price is set for a group buy of a really really good set, i'll definitely invest in a new one.
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I have one of those cobra (only like $120) ones (windshield mounted) and its given me mixed results. At times i've looked in the rearview mirror and see the cop slowing closing up from far away and by the time it goes off im like "no shit you dumb piece of crap", but then other times, like school zones, seriously, who drives 15mph??? and they've had speed traps in those school zones and its saved my ass a bunch of times, because i know i'll get a ticket for 28 in the 15 zone.
I think i may have the same detector as you

Seriously, i've had good results with my $100 cobra unit, and the $100 uniden i had before that. Haven't had a speeding ticket in over 5 years.
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yea its pretty good, no tickets here either, none, ever. Just wish some cops wouldn't wait till the last minute to flip on the radars leading me to test the stregth of my brakes, which i must say is also pretty damn good also, haha, still no tickets
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I've posted this before, and I'm not just saying this because my dad is a cop or whatever bullshit you'll come up with, just being honest. But detectors are for the most part worthless. First off, most cops don't drive with their radar on all the time. The turn it on long enough to get a clock and then turn it off. And more than likely it's on a single vehicle, e.g. you. At this point the detector will indeed go off, however you've already been clocked. And you are probably going to be recieving a ticket, if you don't, then you wouldn't have got one anyway. Now laser is pointed at the plates or in the case of no plates on the front or rear window. But in order to detect laser the beam must directly hit or scatter upon the detector. Plus, a laser singles vehicles out, and guess who is being clocked IF it goes off? Not to mention false alarms.... which don't tell me they don't. My friend has one, about $200 detector, and I laugh everytime it goes off and there isn't a cop for miles around. The ONLY time these would be worth anything is if a cop is in fact leaving his radar on, very unlikely. Or if they are running a speed trap and you happen to be in traffic and it sniffs it up and you slow down. Assuming they're using radar. Nothing can pick up VASCAR and a lot of traps, at least around here are done using that. I've seen countless videos of people throwing their detectors on the ground or out the window afterwards, kinda funny. In my opinion, save your money, don't buy something that will lead you into a false sense of security.

And believe it or not, cops aren't out just to write tickets. Most people who see cops slow down or drive more carefully, that's the ultimate goal. And if you slow down or drive more cautiously everytime your detector goes off it's helping cops do their job. That's why they're not illegal everywhere, because they do nothing really except help cops do their jobs better.

Plus, most cops I know will write a ticket 100% of the time to people with detectors irregardless of attitude or speed. Just cuz they're trying to get away with breaking the law. Best thing to do, don't speed or keep it paced with traffic.
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how did i see that coming. i'll put my usual reply in. My $100 detector has saved me from numerous tickets. Cops DO drive around with their radar constnatly on, and they DO sit in traps with it constantly on. I invite you to drive through any city in RI, every time you see a cop, you can almost bet you'll hear K or Ka go off. My detector has more than paid for itself in tickets avoided, and i'd buy another one in a heartbeat.
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how did i see that coming. i'll put my usual reply in. My $100 detector has saved me from numerous tickets. Cops DO drive around with their radar constnatly on, and they DO sit in traps with it constantly on. I invite you to drive through any city in RI, every time you see a cop, you can almost bet you'll hear K or Ka go off. My detector has more than paid for itself in tickets avoided, and i'd buy another one in a heartbeat.
Ok, cops who aren't fucking stupid. Cops around here never do that. Plus I find it hard to believe they leave it on constantly... mainly because, at least on my dad's radar, that would be really hard on it to stay on for even more than a minute. Of course it's only on for roughly 2-3 seconds to get a good clock. Maybe you're confused, the radar is always on, however it's not always transmitting, and a detector will not pick it up unless it's transmitting. Either way, you still slow down. It's called situational awareness, if you notice people around you slowing down, then maybe you should. Or if you are passing others, that generally means you are going to fast. I drive around 10 over most of the time and get passed left and right. But hey, I get to drive a little faster and some dumbass is bound to pass a cop going 15+ and they're going to fish them all out long before I get there.

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While I may be a newbie here I am no newbie to mopar. In my stable of 4 mopars I have a MINT 96 ES fully loaded, garaged from day one, no salt and only 80k on the odometer. White over grey.

Valentine One is the best radar detector there is, PERIOD. Do not buy anything else. Having driven over 1 million miles with a V1 I can attest to it's abilty to sniff out revenue enhancers. Those of you tied to law enforcment who believe this one does not work need to get some reality in your blood and your day to day duties. The V1 radar detector protects me from unscrupulous cops and unwarranted tickets. I call it the honesty detector.

If you are a cop or related to one let me make a few suggestions.

It's not how fast you are going it is what you are doing with it [the speed] that is important.

Get those morons off my back bumper and crucify those who do stupid crap in front of motorcycles.

Write tickets for those who FAIL TO KEEP RIGHT esp if they are on the phone.

Stop bothering me because I drive an old muscle car mopar that is a lot faster than your cruiser. Grey haired teenagers should be left alone
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I drive 3,300 Kms a week and I have been doing that over 9 years in a company car/minivan/small pickup and this is what I have to say about radar detecters. I'm not sure whats on the market or if any or good but I can say that if you do get pulled over and you have the Radar detecter up you will get a ticket. For the first 4 years of my job I used a detecter (paid around 400 at the time) and thats all it did was tell me I just got a ticket. So I started leaving it at home and what difference in Cops attitude, going from here is your ticket for doing 12 kms over the speed limit to hey buddy just stopped you to let you know we are out here and you might want to slow down a bit, I was going double the posted speed limit. My new rule of thumb is if you only do less than 10 KM's over the speed limit they won't even look at you.

My partner that drives the other 3 days a week uses a detecter and a couple of years back he got out of a ticket by smashing his detecter on the ground right there in front of the cop. He still uses one and he swears they are the greatest thing since sliced bread. I guess it just personal preferances...
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Get those morons off my back bumper and crucify those who do stupid crap in front of motorcycles.
Write tickets for those who FAIL TO KEEP RIGHT esp if they are on the phone.
Nice one! There is a whole lot more shit that they do... but let's
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Anyhow, I've had - as I said - better experience with a K40, Beltronics, remote units.
My K40 saved me many times, and yes, cops here in NY don't even need sometimes a radar gun to estimate your speed, their "estimation" is good enough in court. Enforcers here around my area sit on the side of the highway 50% of the time with their unit constantly on. State troopers, well, they are a little more skilled and like to use "instant on" button way more often. Light traffic is where this unit really shines. I have been very satisfied with my previous purchases of Remote Mounted Units (RMUs) and am looking to get everyone a SRX or SR-1. I can almost guarantee you won't be disappointed.
The reason why this one has been selected by me after a lot of reasearch is following:
I work with Microwave HFW Technology at my job.
My work has primarily been reverse engineering of EMS masts (US Navy - ALQ-12 ElectroMagnetic Sensor mast.) as well as supply and redesign of electronic components for other microwave systems (ALQ-13x). Defense Supply Center Columbus Ohio, or search for CAGE CODE 1HW84 (That's my company's military ID.) So I've borrowed some of the knowledge from this technology and I'm trying here to apply it to the streets.
SR-1, or SRX from Escort/Beltronics.
I'm trying to get a group buy going here. These units retail for about $1000, I think I can get them to drop that in low 300s. Here is the technology supplied to them;
It has the most sensitive receiver DSP signal + diodes (-191dB). Valentine one has about -179dB. (2003 Technology Limitation.) No shit, V1 is sensitive, but we're talking here Burr Brown and DSP QFP TMS320C new processor receiver in Escort.
Now, Escort has adopted some of this technology and managed to have it engineered to automotive use. It's advantages are that reciever is not too big and not too small. Bigger receiver means more reflection to the police car. Smaller receiver, less reception of the signal. But what really matters is it's Digital Signal Processor. New Burr Brown TMS320Cx DSP is capable of operating at well beyond 1-GHz shift frequency and it's supply of only 50 milliwatts (10 times lesser than your wireless network TX/RX power).
Not to mention it's loopback RF design, this means bad news for the cops. It can detect small ripples in it's program which signify a source of radar unit even if it was 1 billionth of a second short. Now, V1 is snesitive, but in it's programming EEPROM lacks the timing. See, in order for your detector to go off (recognize the signal) it has to filter thru all kinds of junk signals and recognize the ripple of certain frequency (cop radar), PLUS that signal has to LAST LONG ENUF for it to 'hear it". Now if the cop has instant-on, this might be about 50 millisecond 34 GHz pulse (K, or Ka Band SW). Even the new "bird" instant on radars mounted on cop cars which send out pulses well lower than 50 ms (about 22ms) are in trouble with this new DSP in SRX, SR1 units.
Their detection is about (18ms). So, they are way more sensitive than today's radar units. Keep in mind, there is a constant battle being led on the streets between manufacturers of detectors and manufacturers of radar guns.
Currently, detectors are winning, by 20 milliseconds. In 2003 (I call this "A ticket year") radar guns were winning (Detectors 50ms, Radar 22ms).
Not to mention that most localities will not keep with times and purchase the most sensitive and advanced units for their enforcer cars, therefore, odds are again in our favor with having the MOST sensitive equipment on the street.
Again, RAdioDistancingAndRange (RADAR) units put inside police cars are $600-700 units. Their operators are mostly unfamiliar with design and operation of MW technology, even though there are some pretty well trained and well educated police MW officers out there.

Now, please stay on topic and answer me if you guys would be interested in partaking this group buy endeavor?
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While I do agree with Jer Bear Bluez, and his dad being a police officer, situational awareness is a plus. I don't condone driving like a maniac, safety is concern. I like my insurance rates low. But, cmon, there are a lot of roads here that are smooth as baby's ass, lotsa new asphalt, have very little traffic and early saturday AM traffic at limit 65mph is doing about 80mph. Now that's any enforcer's candyland.
And no, speed does not kill (statistically.) You are more likely to die and/or have serious damage in New York City traffic at 35 mph traffic speeds than you are on the metro area roads at 80+mph. Hence insurance rates are higher for NYC resident than are for suburbs resident.
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hmm all I have ever tired was the Cobra’s that mount on ur dash, which it works, but I have had many close times, that the cop prolly could of got me. (as soon as it goes on I slow down.) i normally go 10 mph over the speed limit, so i can slow down faster

I wouldn’t mind getting an escort rsx or a sr-1, or something Similar
but I have the same problem a lot of people have, my car isn’t a race car, I don’t speed all the time, so I wouldn’t wanna go over 250-300 on one.
how cheap can u get them with ur connection inside lol.

QUESTION: has anyone ever got money from one of the Radar Detectors that say if u get a ticket the Manufacturer Pays the Ticket


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QUESTION: has anyone ever got money from one of the Radar Detectors that say if u get a ticket the Manufacturer Pays the Ticket
Yes, read the fine print on the package.
"Manufacturer will pay fines that you get but not exceeding 10% posted speed limit. Or School zone. Or (bullshit 3AM nobody there) Work zone."

That means you do 65 in a 55 and you get a ticket they will pay it. I wonder how many people get pulled over for doing 65 in a 55.

Any others interested?

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