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Why the water pump

I've got a 97 3.5 with 60,000 miles on it. All the threads on here about timeing belts recently have mae me think its porbably time to have mine changed but why does everyone seem to say that the water pump might as well be changed at the same time?...pretty pricey item to change if it hasn't gone bad.

By the way I was quoted $135 for the timing belt plus 2 hours of labour for the job....is that about right?
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thats the price for the belt and installation. sounds about right. 90 bucks is the belt. and then the rest is labor. i paid under 200 for my belt change
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No they want $135 for the belt (Canadian) then 2 hours of labour so its gonna cost me about $280 tax in.
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o crap thats alot of money
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o crap thats alot of money
That's about right in Canada.

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All the threads on here about timeing belts recently have mae me think its porbably time to have mine changed but why does everyone seem to say that the water pump might as well be changed at the same time?.
The water pump is not all that expensive an item. Probably just a little more than the belt. Ask for "deal" on parts and labor if both are done at the same time.

The reason it is suggested during the timing belt replacement is that all of the timing belt replacement procedure (labor) is also a significant portion of the waterpump replacment procedure. So if you do both at the same time, you avoid paying the 2 hours labor all over again if the pump needs to be replaced down the road a bit. 60,000 miles is not a lot of miles on a water pump; but that combined with 10 years of service life... wellll.
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The water pump is not all that expensive an item. Probably just a little more than the belt. Ask for "deal" on parts and labor if both are done at the same time.

The reason it is suggested during the timing belt replacement is that all of the timing belt replacement procedure (labor) is also a significant portion of the waterpump replacment procedure. So if you do both at the same time, you avoid paying the 2 hours labor all over again if the pump needs to be replaced down the road a bit. 60,000 miles is not a lot of miles on a water pump; but that combined with 10 years of service life... wellll.
Man, Things Must Work Different Where You Come From!!!!! Ask for a deal if parts and labour are done at the same time....absolutely unheard of, they would laugh at me....and getting them done at the same time to save on labour....Only In My Dreams. If they do a timing belt and a waterpump it is true that they save time because most of the work is already done for one when you do the other but when they bill you they bill you for 2 FULL JOBS. They just look at the book which says 2 hours timing belt, 2 hours water pump then bill you for 4 hours, it doesn't matter that they finished the job in 2.5 hours......happens all the time on combined jobs, its usual in cases like this to get your car back within a few hours of dropping it off but then be charged for much longer in "labour hours" then your car was actually at the garage.
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Yeah, it'll depend on the shop if they charge you for each job or not. I can totally see a shop charging twice for the same work when going by the book in terms of labor hours.

But I'm sure you can find a place that won't double charge ya.

But just to make it even more clear, the water pump is usually located BEHIND the timing system so that's why people say to replace both if you're doing one. Because if you do have to replace the water pump, you have to take the timing system off to do it and they'll charge you to put it back on and "re-time" your engine.
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Also if your water pump goes, it could take out the belt too, and you'll need a new one. I did the belt / pulleys / pump at 104k mi. and only two years later (@ 130k mi) the "new" pump I put in failed and damaged the belt. Lucky I had a warrenty on the pump, and complained about it to Autozone, so they also swapped the belt for free. All I was stuck with was doing the work myself & a gallon of anti-freeze.
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Man, Things Must Work Different Where You Come From!!!!! Ask for a deal if parts and labour are done at the same time....absolutely unheard of,
Well, it was always like that in the past here too. But I've noticed a change lately. It may be just certain dealers that are smart enough to realize that if they stick to the book labour and their high prices, they end up getting zero because you'll go to NAPA or CarQuest for parts and then a local shop with better rates.

I've had 3 instances lately where I've gone in to inquire about parts prices at Chrysler dealers, then asked about the shop time, then said "that's too much - I'll get the parts from Jeff Hunter, do some of the work myself and then get XYZ to do the rest. When I turn around to leave I hear, "hang on a minute - let's see if we get this down to a more manageable cost !!!!" . I kid you not.

The best one was when I went to ask about an A/C repair on my Dad's Intrepid. They wanted $480 to replace a line, some fittings and do a recharge. I told them to stuff it - the Intrepid is my Dad's second car and the A/C can stay broken. I went in 2 days later to buy some ATF and the Service Mgr asked me again about the A/C repair. I said, "It ain't gonna happen at the price you quoted. Your guys can sit idle in the back in an empty shop while you pay their wages, but I'm not paying. It's a frickin 1/2"pipe and a few ounces of juice and you want $500 ?? Not from me. " Next words were, "well let's see what we can do here" He fiddles around with a calculator for a minute and then asks where the car is. I tell him it's available. He says, 'have it here within 1/2 and hour and we'll get it done for $220, tax included. " I said, "I'll be right back, in about 15 minutes".

Similar thing when I went in to price out timing chain parts, water pump and gaskets. Added it all up right there, then got the book labour cost and the total came out to some stupid number close to $2K. I pulled my "never mind - I'll buy the parts in the states for way less and then I'll do...." , and suddenly a package deal started to emerge. "If you buy alll the parts here, and get the work done here, and if can give us 2 days instead of one, we'll knock X% off this and Y % off that and....how does $1350 for the whole package sound ? " I was surprised. They really wanted the business.

Try it.

Maybe it's just a Canadian thing, I don't know. I think the dealers are hurtin, with truck and SUV sales way down. They need money.
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