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Shitty deal for the Challenger

From what I had read I thought the new challenger was going to be a regular production car with different levels and options. You know like a base with a 3.5L and cloth seats for like $25K and an RT with a Hemi for say $40K
But today while I was getting my oil changed I was talking to a salesman and he said the Challenger was going to be an extremely limited production vehicle...only one version, absolutely no options. One color only, blaze orange, leather, power everything, 6.1L engine and a 6 speed stick selling for over $60K and only a very small number (like maybe 3) available in my whole province by special pre order only.

Is this how its going to be???? or is this guy just a dumbass?
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Sounds like a dumbass
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From what I had read I thought the new challenger was going to be a regular production car with different levels and options. You know like a base with a 3.5L and cloth seats for like $25K and an RT with a Hemi for say $40K
But today while I was getting my oil changed I was talking to a salesman and he said the Challenger was going to be an extremely limited production vehicle...only one version, absolutely no options. One color only, blaze orange, leather, power everything, 6.1L engine and a 6 speed stick selling for over $60K and only a very small number (like maybe 3) available in my whole province by special pre order only.

Is this how its going to be???? or is this guy just a dumbass?
Sounds like he was trying to set you up for a top of the line pre-order.
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I'd bet good odds the guy has no idea what he's talking about. He's heard a few rumors and is taking them as gospel. I'd have a much easier time of it seeing Chevy decide they couldn't afford to sell a base model of the Camaro. The reason is the Challenger is based on a modified version of the LX platform and will be relatively inexpensive to produce. Chevy doesn't have an appropriate platform handy to slap the Camaro on, so it's going to cost more to make right from the start. Of course, Chevy will probably be pressured to sell a lower-end version anyway, but they'll make a lot less on it. The Challenger will be a big deal for DC and they can't afford to pass on sales on a model that's not top-of-the-line with an "everyman's" version of the Challenger. They already have built-in stiff competition from the Mustang and they "newness" factor of either the Challenger or the Camaro is only going to last just so long, especially since you can bet that Ford is going to freshen up the Mustang to battle the new competition.
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The rumor is sorta true actually. Challengers are to be a limited production vehicle, from the get-go. I would suspect later on once Chrysler drops the ancient V-6's, for the new Phoneix line of motors then the Challenger would get it. Expect a new "small HEMI" and a larger one on the way.

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The reason is the Challenger is based on a modified version of the LX platform and will be relatively inexpensive to produce
Different chassis, transmission, and most likely other components is a tad more expensive than you think, running down an already established assembly line. Although the plant does support flex manufacturing.

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The rumor is sorta true actually. Challengers are to be a limited production vehicle, from the get-go. I would suspect later on once Chrysler drops the ancient V-6's, for the new Phoneix line of motors then the Challenger would get it. Expect a new "small HEMI" and a larger one on the way.
I wouldn't even place bets that the final decision on that has been made yet. There's an advantage for DC if they decided to get a lot of Challengers out on the road ASAP for the sake of spreading their image, but you could well be right.

Of course the 3.5HO is a "small Hemi", though DC isn't about to call it that. By "small" are you implying that you expect them to attach that label to a V6?

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Different chassis, transmission, and most likely other components is a tad more expensive than you think, running down an already established assembly line. Although the plant does support flex manufacturing.
Sure, it calls for expensive new tooling, but they do a lot of that for new models anyway. Don't overlook just how expensive it is to do the R & D on a new platform. I used to work as a test driver for GM and VW and I can tell you there's a whole lot that goes into a fresh line of cars. They definitely have a big leg up over GM and what they're doing with the Camaro. Still, I give kudos to Chevy for not compromising on the Camaro and giving it a second-rate chassis just to make the bean-counters happy.
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Seriously, there's been many stories posted in the Automotive section of this site stating that the Challenger really is going to be a limited production, one engine vehicle. That's what all the car magazines are saying as well. You guys don't read car magazines?

Of course DCX could just be secretive about it, but why?
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Primary launch is likely to be a limited run, full on, balls-to-the-wall numbered collectable.

MSRP will give way to "dealer's premium" as far as cost goes. Expect to pay at least double. After all... these are potentially $1million cars 30yrs down the road.

I'm sure higher runs of variants (colours / options) will come later as tooling and processes are further integrated @ Brampton. Don't forget, the timing has been compressed on bringing this vehicle (LY platform) to market. This will be achieved by a slow methodical startup. This car has an extreme amount of hype to live up to and the world is watching. They WILL do this correctly.

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sounds like he was trying to sell you the top of the line... that and hes a dumbasss
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I have been watching the Challenger story very closely. What he told you is incorrect. The dealers do not have this information yet. There likely will be a limited initial production of Hemis only, but nothing has been released about options or colors.
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I wouldn't even place bets that the final decision on that has been made yet. There's an advantage for DC if they decided to get a lot of Challengers out on the road ASAP for the sake of spreading their image, but you could well be right.

Of course the 3.5HO is a "small Hemi", though DC isn't about to call it that. By "small" are you implying that you expect them to attach that label to a V6?
Small HEMI would be the 5.7 or the "larger" variant that may appear in the Ram around the same time, perhaps the rumored 5.9-6.1 to take over where the 5.7 left off. No V-6 will ever be called a HEMI, regardless of what car it's on.

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Sure, it calls for expensive new tooling, but they do a lot of that for new models anyway. Don't overlook just how expensive it is to do the R & D on a new platform. I used to work as a test driver for GM and VW and I can tell you there's a whole lot that goes into a fresh line of cars. They definitely have a big leg up over GM and what they're doing with the Camaro. Still, I give kudos to Chevy for not compromising on the Camaro and giving it a second-rate chassis just to make the bean-counters happy.
Most of the R&D would have already been completed by Holden regardless, the platform is there, all GM ever had to do was just go and snatch it. And yes I know about introducing new models, heck even updated models have their fair share of time with engineering....trust me there's more to the "new" Taurus than what meets the eye.


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IDK........$60k CDN..........sounds a tad high, but honesly I wouldn't hold my breath for a Challenger at the same pricepoint as say a Charger SXT.



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This article from February 6 makes reference to Challenger production being 30,000 vehicles/year. Although that is a small production number, that is still quite a few vehicles to only offer one choice for color and options.
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I know this thread is about the Challenger, but I came across this bit on the Camaro from the GM Inside News site.
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Chevrolet Camaro: Rumors state that the Camaro is on for model-year 2009. Insiders have confirmed that the production version is very, very close (nearly identical) to the concept car in regards to the exterior. Power is said to come from the 3.6L V6 and an optional 6.0L LS2 V8. GMs Oshawa, Ontario, Canada plant is likely where this Camaro will call home.
http://www.gminsidenews.com/index.ph..._Product_Guide
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Probably you will see six months of very expensive 425 horse cars, followed but 355 horse dual displacement hemis. Look for a V-6 about a year after introduction.
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