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post #1 of 19 (permalink) Old 02-24-2007, 05:48 AM Thread Starter
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Might have our '96 back soon

We sold our car to a couple who lived about 50 miles away last February for $1300. Since that time, they have not titled the car, it's been driving around and collecting red light camera tickets, and we're taking it back. They have cost us $1400 in tickets since we sold it to them, and since we don't have their names or addresses or anything, the courts made US pay the tickets.

I have good news and I have bad news, and I have GREAT news.

Good news is every red light ticket they've received has been at the SAME intersection in a town 25 miles north of us. So I can assume either they commute that way every day, or they spend a lot of time in that town, or they lied when they said they lived in the 50 miles away town and they really live closer. This means I can go sit at that intersection and wait for them to pass through, follow them to their destination, and grab the car.

Bad news is with my wife being 9 months pregnant I can't take the time to go sit up there all day waiting for our old car to drive by.

GREAT news is twofold. My wife and I have received a duplicate title, which invalidates the original title, and now if they go to the tax office to try and transfer it, they won't be able to do it until they contact us and either pay us $1400 or give us the car back. Second part of the GREAT news is we cleaned out the garage and found a spare ignition key to that car, still on the card it was cut on from ACE Hardware. So when I *DO* find the car, I'll have that key on me and can fire it up and bring it home. Since it's still in our name according to the state, and especially according to the tickets we've paid with it, I think I'm in my legal right to take it back.

I could also report it as a stolen car at this point, but I think it'd be more fun to go get it myself. I have a few friends in that one town who are looking for me as well. If there's a large number of people on this board in Denton, Texas, well, PM me or something and I'll give you the vehicle's information. I will pay a cash reward ($100) for information leading to a quick recovery. Bring it to us in Fort Worth and we'll pay double that.
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I think you better talk to either a lawyer or a law enforcement official before you decide to take the car back. If they have paperwork that says you sold it to them, you're liable for grand theft. Even if you have paper work saying it's yours. You have obviously already dealt with the courts and probably stated you sold it to them, so that;s on record already.
Not what you want to deal with with a pregnant wife around. I'm not sure about your state, but here you sign the back of the title when you sell a car and that's the bill of sale. If they have paper work with your signature on it, you're hooped if you just "take the car back".
As to the tickets, the car may still be legally registered in your name, but if you sold it and have proof, they are liable. We have to notify the dmv that the car has been sold, but it's usually done when the new owner registers the car. How can you at least not know thier names? You may have to go to small claims court to prove it wasn't you and get your money back, but you can get it back, legally.
I'd be more inclined to go take the plate off the car so it doesn't accumulate any more tickets in your name rather than take the whole thing and risk arrest.
Just be really careful in this situ, nothing pisses people off and makes them look for vengance (again, preganant wife, you want that kind of hassle right now) than a stolen car.

Talk to someone in the legal system about your options before you do this.

Please.

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PS I'd be careful posting this stuff on the net too, I know of a couple cases where the lawyer found an individual talking about lying in court to get away with something. It was printed off, shown to the judge and buddy got REALLY hooped.
Let me see if I can find it.
Ah Ha! Here it is:
http://www.mp3car.com/vbulletin/showthread.php?t=93656
Look at the fifth post. The net just got a little smaller...........

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if you gave them a bill of sale you cant touch it, you must use the court system to get it back if then, but you can also use the court system to reclaim the 1400 that they have cost you
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Dont try and get it on your own, thats gonna be a shit storm you dont wanna play with. Go through the legal system....
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They don't have any kind of bill of sale. They have that open title and one ignition key. I have the other ignition key. We don't know who they are so we have been unable to deal with these tickets. They're piling up and we'd rather pay the tickets and keep the car. But if the people who bought it are confronted, given a choice of giving us the car back or paying all these tickets, I'm sure we'll get the car.

I need a tow truck.

Sister-in-law just repo'd a Suburban from someone they sold it to and the people didn't pay all the payments and had the unsigned title.

I bet that title is in the glovebox. If it is, I'm taking the car.
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What's an open title?

Things must work pretty funny in Texas if you can register a car in your name without a bill of sale or signed registration showing transfer of title........

How can you sell a car to someone and not even get thier name?
Did they just show up, not say anything, shove money in your hands and drive off?

Just showing up at thier house and taking the car sounds like a sure way to get "shot at" if you ask me. Especially if what I hear about Texas and gun ownership is even half true.

Something seems a little "off" here.......

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As long as your legal ducks are in a row on this, and you have the time to spend tracking the car. Think about recovering the car at a shopping center, or some other very public place. Be ready to re key the car and I'd think about selling it, out of the area. Remember these people know who you are, and if their the type to run around on your dime, they might not be nice. You got to do something, the tickets are bad enough, but you may be on the hook if this idiot kills someone with your car. Good Luck.
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That's why we want it back, we don't know what these people will do with that car. That and they have cost us so much money in tickets. As for getting shot, I don't mind taking the car. Unless it gets parked in a garage somewhere that I can't get in, I'll wait until they're out of sight, dart in, fire it up, and go.

These people don't know where we live now. They bought the car from us when we lived in an apartment ten miles from our house. And I don't mind swapping out the ignition switch. Won't take too long. Either way, car goes in our garage. Tax office people had told me if it's in her name, currently registered (which it is now), then we have every legal right to possess the car regardless if any money changed hands. The people who bought it had 30 days to transfer the title, and they did not do so in that time, causing us financial loss. We'd win if they decided to sue us in small claims court, but even if we were to "lose", the judge would likely find them owing us for the tickets and they would have to pay that to get the car back.
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Update for you kids:

3 more tickets (one redlight, two tollway runs) since this thread was started. We're fuming but we have a lead on where they work (exit they took off the tollway will give us a good area to search parking lots).

Also we are buying a 1997 Intrepid for $800 in the morning. First thing I'm doing is putting a set of tires on it. Second thing I'm doing is fixing the engine cooling fans which are inop. Third thing I'm doing is driving up to Frisco to look for the '96. Titled, registered, and now insured in our name, reported stolen, and we're hoping to find it before the police do just to avoid impound charges.
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wait till your wife gives birth then wait on that intersection you were talking about until you see them and follow.. thats what I would do
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That's why we want it back, we don't know what these people will do with that car. That and they have cost us so much money in tickets. As for getting shot, I don't mind taking the car. Unless it gets parked in a garage somewhere that I can't get in, I'll wait until they're out of sight, dart in, fire it up, and go.

These people don't know where we live now. They bought the car from us when we lived in an apartment ten miles from our house. And I don't mind swapping out the ignition switch. Won't take too long. Either way, car goes in our garage. Tax office people had told me if it's in her name, currently registered (which it is now), then we have every legal right to possess the car regardless if any money changed hands. The people who bought it had 30 days to transfer the title, and they did not do so in that time, causing us financial loss. We'd win if they decided to sue us in small claims court, but even if we were to "lose", the judge would likely find them owing us for the tickets and they would have to pay that to get the car back.
I assume the "her name " is your wife?

If it's not transfered to the new owners name (i assume the plate in texas stays with the car) then there probibly is no insurance on it either.

You did clean the papers out of it right!

With no reciet for the sale when you "reposess" the car the "new owners" will (should) report it stolen.

You should see local PD to get advice and give them a heads up on what is happening.

Cover your a$$ no one will for you!

If you have the time find out where they work and take it from there ,forcing him.in front of co-workers to report it!

Don't take it from home, it is on his property and the last thing you want is to get shot up!

Or you can buy a cheap cell phone and take the plate and leave a note with a new # on it and say call me!

Tell him you will have it reported stolen in 24 hours!

If he doesn't come up with the ticket $

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What's an open title?

Things must work pretty funny in Texas if you can register a car in your name without a bill of sale or signed registration showing transfer of title........

How can you sell a car to someone and not even get thier name?
Did they just show up, not say anything, shove money in your hands and drive off?

Just showing up at thier house and taking the car sounds like a sure way to get "shot at" if you ask me. Especially if what I hear about Texas and gun ownership is even half true.

Something seems a little "off" here.......

Cheers

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An open title is a title that you the owner has signed off of and the buyer hasn't filled his info in!

Usually only happens at the dealership so they don't have to put it in thier name on the lot.

Thats the problem the car isn't regestered in the new owners name!
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Update for you kids:

3 more tickets (one redlight, two tollway runs) since this thread was started. We're fuming but we have a lead on where they work (exit they took off the tollway will give us a good area to search parking lots).

Also we are buying a 1997 Intrepid for $800 in the morning. First thing I'm doing is putting a set of tires on it. Second thing I'm doing is fixing the engine cooling fans which are inop. Third thing I'm doing is driving up to Frisco to look for the '96. Titled, registered, and now insured in our name, reported stolen, and we're hoping to find it before the police do just to avoid impound charges.
Still insured in your name? TROUBLE if anything happens if he is running that many red lights he's bound to hit somthing get it done now!

Did the cop ask you why you waited so long to report it stolen?
Better have a good story or they won't care.
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I sold a minivan a while back in Dec actually to 2 guys whom use to work with my dad before their plant closed. The van was in my name and I signed the title because I was going to be out of town the day they were coming back. When they came they handed my dad the money and signed a bill of sale and my dad handed them the title. We lost the bill of sale in our home and somehow they didnt transfer the vechile into their name so the van is still in my name. I went down to the local PD rasing hell they pretty much said they couldnt do anything at all. We dont know this guys last name, address or even his family. We however did get his cell phone number off our cell bill but the I Wirless will NOT give us the info and said if an officer called down there they would give it to a officer. The police station stated they will not call down there to get me an address or even a last name to the guy who owns that phone without a warrent. So I pretty much reported that I dont own it and filled out a paper with the Iowa DOT and I have a DOT person trying to find that vechile. I'm still waiting for an officer to come over to my house and arrest me for a hit and run or a robbery with that vechile I dont own.

I think I covered my self with involving the DOT so maybe you need to fill out a paper like this with your DOT or whatever you call it.

If I was you I would go sit at that stop light. Follow the trep to their home or place of business and write down the plate used on the trep and write down their address and other vechiles plates at the home or place of business


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