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post #16 of 43 (permalink) Old 09-28-2010, 07:25 PM
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I had my 72 challenger slide back and pin me, a totally helpless feeling waiting for someone to help.

Then feeling like an a$$ not relizing that adjusting the shifter linkage MAY knock it out of gear!
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Good idea for a thread...

Safety of others is just as important as yourself...

When striking an arc with a welder - sure, you've got a mask - but what about the guy holding the other end of the work piece?

What about doing something and not knowing your 5 year old has walked into the garage?

Along with keeping the shop clean, keeping chemicals up and out of the reach of little hands...

The safety for others is just as important, have to remember that there can be people walking into a work area unannounced.


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"Safety Forced"

CDMCCUL: This discussion really brings that (rough) pun of yours you have been so fond of repeating (I don't understand why you didn't state it here) into proper perspective...

You really do have to FORCE safety; "common sense" just isn't good enough, think about what you are doing and force yourself to do the SAFE thing, not the easy or expedient (or lazy) thing.
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Hardwareguy's Shop Rules (aka horse sense!)

First and foremost... Don't be stupid....prevent death!

NEVER get under a vehicle supported only by a jack! USE JACKSTANDS OR DIE!

NO SMOKING.....EVER! (its bad for you even when you are away from gasoline!)

Use the right tool for the job. The wrong tool may cause the job to take longer or damage you, the part you are working on, the tool or a combination thereof.

NEVER open a hot cooling system.

Do not work when excessively tired, drunk or otherwise unfit to work on a car.

Keep the FSM, Haynes or Chiltons manual handy. Do not proceed until you fully understand the procedure. (RTFM!)

Torque bolts to the specified torque using a torque wrench if a torque is specified.

Use the right fluids for the right vehicle/vehicle system.

Have a well lit shop...and a backup light just in case! (yes, we have had the lights go out during MODFEST...having a battery flashlight was great!)

Keep the shop well ventilated with crossflow fan ventilation when using solvents or testing engines. Beware of Carbon Monoxide!

Have an ABC fire extinguisher and a water source handy.

Read all warning labels on chemicals.

Stay hydrated....heat exhaustion sucks!

Keep all power tools and cords in good condition. If a tool trips the GFCI, it's no good!

Read all manuals pertaining to your tools. There may bee cool features or hidden dangers you may have overlooked. (this especially applies to electrical test gear!)

Disconnect the battery when making changes to the electrical system.

Clean spills ASAP.

Wash skin ASAP if irritated or a harsh chemical has been spilled on you.

Do not use gasoline as a hand cleaner. (yes...people STILL do this!)

Wear safety glasses when grinding, using strong chemicals or working under the car.

Do not dump oil....recycle it.

Work with a friend if possible.

Drain the air compressor tank! A rusty tank is a time bomb.

Do not weld near the gas tank.

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This happened about 4 weeks ago to a good friend of mine. Make sure young children aren't around. My buddies 5 year old son (who is a little heathen anyways) decided it would be fun to play with daddies jack while dad and grandpa were under the car taking the safety chains off that were holding it on the trailer. Luckily neither were seriously hurt but they were both pinned between the car and trailer for a couple minutes while "mom" had to figure out how to work the jack.
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A friend of mine had a guy that was using his shop and was cutting off an exhaust in my friends body shop with a torch. He hit the gas line. Burned down the whole body shop.
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This happened about 4 weeks ago to a good friend of mine. Make sure young children aren't around. My buddies 5 year old son (who is a little heathen anyways) decided it would be fun to play with daddies jack while dad and grandpa were under the car taking the safety chains off that were holding it on the trailer. Luckily neither were seriously hurt but they were both pinned between the car and trailer for a couple minutes while "mom" had to figure out how to work the jack.
Yikes! Daddies little helper!
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Hardwareguy's Shop Rules (aka horse sense!)


Do not dump oil....recycle it.

Work with a friend if possible.


Drain the air compressor tank! A rusty tank is a time bomb.
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i am surprised you are the only one who said work with a friend. i have herd so many times someone getting hurt working alone, getting a motor or something on their limbs or body, and cant get help. its a good idea to have help, or someone to check on you every so often, and know where you are and what your doing. it could save your life...
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i am surprised you are the only one who said work with a friend. i have herd so many times someone getting hurt working alone, getting a motor or something on their limbs or body, and cant get help. its a good idea to have help, or someone to check on you every so often, and know where you are and what your doing. it could save your life...
Peer checks are great but most of my friends (that are available on a regular basis) I think are more hazardous than I like, to work around.
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  • When helping with a frame off restoration
  • And it's really hot
  • And you're shirtless
  • Using cup wire wheel on frame
  • With sweaty hands
  • While working on a tight portion
  • And straddling the work
It is possible that:
  • The wire wheel catches
  • Runs along the workpiece towards you
  • Narrowly misses your privates
  • Gets a grip on your stomach
  • Tears its way up to your chest
  • Where does the hokey pokey
  • And finally stops
Even after the initial pain subsided, I could hardly even breathe for a week!
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One thing I do is after the car is up on the jack stands is I bump or shake it a bit to make sure it is not going to fall while I'm under it trying to loosen a bolt or something. if it seems even slightly unstable jack it back up and reset the stands. same goes for at the junk yard to.
-X2, same with ramps as well. Bounce the front end, rear end, and shake the car side to side.
-X2 on wheel chokes.
-Only work on level ground, found that out the hard way. I forgot liquid runs downhill and had the drain pan in the wrong spot.(Not so much as forgot, but didn't realize I was on a slight incline)
-Wear gloves when necessary to help protect hands, although sometimes it may be better without. I'm always banging up my hands when even thinking about working on my car.
-When working on your black car in the summer, don't rest your arm on the paint, it is HOT.
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Peer checks are great but most of my friends (that are available on a regular basis) I think are more hazardous than I like, to work around.
I'll come up and work with you Doug.

Seriously though I always work alone. Someone else may be around somewhere, but not out in the garage/driveway working with me. Nobody has the patience to deal with my car habit that much.
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when i did the conversion on my car i actually lifted the whole car and supported it with 3 2x6's (plenty of strength). the problem was when we went to pull the subframe out with the engine and transmission we used a chain hoist with a steel cable to the car, the cable had a plastic sheath around it then bolted back to itself with the regular cable clamp, well turns out the plastic sheath doesn't have the same strength as the steel. it tore away and the car fell on top of the engine barely missing my arm. moral of the story, don't use steel cable with a plastic sheath.

edit, we used the hoist to lift the car and get the subframe out underneath.
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... the cable had a plastic sheath around it then bolted back to itself with the regular cable clamp, ...
Using a cable with a plastic sheath is OK. Forgetting to remove the sheathing under the clamp, is not. As you have discovered, the sheathing is NOT load rated.
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when i did the conversion on my car i actually lifted the whole car and supported it with 3 2x6's (plenty of strength). the problem was when we went to pull the subframe out with the engine and transmission we used a chain hoist with a steel cable to the car, the cable had a plastic sheath around it then bolted back to itself with the regular cable clamp, well turns out the plastic sheath doesn't have the same strength as the steel. it tore away and the car fell on top of the engine barely missing my arm. moral of the story, don't use steel cable with a plastic sheath.

edit, we used the hoist to lift the car and get the subframe out underneath.
This is more from a safety standpoint...IMO...it is not advisable to do a bottom swap without an actual automotive lift.

Ive seen/heard of many other methods that have worked but IMO endanger the car and the owner too greatly. If you dont have an actual automotive 4 post lift, pull it out of the top! You are messing with way too much weight, and there is way too much at stake.

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#1 safety rule in my book: Common sense.

...dont smoke when you are messing with gasoline.
...dont turn the open flame shop heater on when you are messing with gas.
...dont use a floor jack alone to support a car while you are under it.
...dont leave the air compressor on/plugged in after you are done
...flammable items do not respond well to being torched/heated...plastic, gas lines, etc etc
...wear safety glasses when working with anything that is spring loaded, or can shoot sparks/particles...
...dont work on the car while its running
...clean up spilled fluids
...check your work
...If it can cut you, pinch you, burn you, break you, shock you, dont put your fingers/hands/feet/legs in it.


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