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Hello,

I need lug nuts for my car. Some might think that you can just go to the store (or the dealer) and buy them (the right ones), apparently not.

The car is a 2001 Dodge Intrepid SE which 16" wheels. It came with steel wheels from the factory (with the hub caps that are secured with the lug nuts).

I got a set of nice Alloy wheels (see picture). The steel rims are so rusted on the edge that some tires do not hold air anymore. I was told the lug nuts would be the same for steal and alloy wheels. I was told by the tire dealer that they were not, they put 1 rim on and tried it, said that the seating and length does not fit (the lug nuts are the original ones that came with the car).

I went to Autozone/AdvanceAutoParts first, they have 5 different styles, but do not know which ones I need.

I went to the dealer. The also have different ones, but do not know which ones I need.

I contacted Dodge (yes, the car manufacturer), parts division, they do not know which ones I need.

Dodge told me that they rely on the dealer. When I asked where the dealer gets this kind of secret information from, they confirmed that it was from them (Dodge), but then again, I would have to ask the dealer, they do not have this kind of information.

Does anybody here know the correct part number? Here are all the numbers that are etched into the wheels:

- 16x7 JX43
- OUL86TRMAA
- OXY49TRMAA
- C102102 3
- HT10831-1
- FX4N3 2110

I would prefer to buy aftermarket as I see no reason to spend over $300 for 20 lug nuts (yes, the dealer wanted $16.03 for 1 piece, I bought one they 'thought might fit' but it did not). Used ones would be fine too, if undamaged of course.

If this issue gets solved, I would have 4 original hubcaps (secured by the lug nuts) to give away.

Thank you for your help in advance.
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You need lug nuts that are M12x1.50.

Here's an example at Advance Auto parts:

http://shop.advanceautoparts.com/p/d...wheel+lug+nuts

$19.99 for a set of 10...you'd need two sets for all 4 wheels. Looks like they're on sale for $9.99 for the set. Check the link out.

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Yes, they are different.
One type for steel wheels with plastic hubcaps and one a different for all of the alloy wheels.


Are you located anywhere near a pull-a-part or pick-n-pull?
I know there are one of each of those in the Indy area and
those lug nuts are all over the place; still on the car and on the ground.

Just saw Ronbo's post. $20.00 for a brand new set sounds pretty good.
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Thank you for the quick reply.

No, we don't have any junkyards here where you can pull your own part, as a matter of fact, the ones we have do not allow that anymore (they stopped doing so a few years ago), probably because of liability.

Now it is getting weird. The picture of the lug nut looks like the one I bought from the dealer. The tire shop looked at it and said it would be the same lug nut as I have right now, and they would not fit.

I will take 1 lug nut off the car tomorrow and compare them. I guess this is the only way to determine if the tire guy was mistaken the one I bought to be the same as the ones I have.

Thank you for clarifying that the lug nuts are different between steel and alloy wheels.

This is a (lug) nut subject, isn't it?

Will let you know tomorrow.
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You can actually use your original lug nuts on the alloy wheels. They'll stick out past the face of the wheel but they'll work. I did this with my 2000 Base Intrepid when I put a set of Concorde alloys on until I could get the correct lug nuts.

When you say the lug nut you got from the dealer "doesn't fit"...exactly what do you mean by that?
Does it thread onto the wheel stud?
Does it fit in the recess on the alloy wheel?
Does it thread far enough onto the wheel stud stud to hold the wheel against the hub?

The doesn't fit is too vague to diagnose what's going on.

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As said, this was the information the tire shop gave me.

Again, I will take of one lug nut tomorrow to compare. Then we should know more. If they are different, the tire guy was mistaken (when he thought the one I bought was identical).

If they are not different, I guess I would have to go to another shop. But then who knows?

UPDATE:
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Okay, I can't get a lug nut off. The original scissor jack and lug wrench were wet, gooey and rusty, I would not trust them and threw them away. I will go to a tire dealer tomorrow and haven them swap one wheel and give it a try, then we should know more (hopefully).

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Okay, no luck, the lug nuts from the steel wheels look exactly like the ones posted above (except for wear).

I will go to Tire Rack tomorrow, a 50 mile trip, but after being in storage, the car needs to be driven anyhow. I hope that the people there can help me, they sell wheels and lug nuts, I would think they might be able to figure it out.

I contacted Dodge via email, they wanted VIN and part number from the wheels, but still no response.

What a journey.
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As said, this was the information the tire shop gave me.

Again, I will take of one lug nut tomorrow to compare. Then we should know more. If they are different, the tire guy was mistaken (when he thought the one I bought was identical).

If they are not different, I guess I would have to go to another shop. But then who knows?

UPDATE:
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Okay, I can't get a lug nut off. The original scissor jack and lug wrench were wet, gooey and rusty, I would not trust them and threw them away. I will go to a tire dealer tomorrow and haven them swap one wheel and give it a try, then we should know more (hopefully).
Again what is exactly the problem with the "New" lug nut?

What doesn't fit?
Does the lug nut thread onto the wheel stud properly?
Your information is about as vague as can be,

Have you personally done any of this yourself?
Or are you just relaying some BS info from a tire shop?
All LH cars came with M12x1.50 threaded wheel studs. If it's not the thread pattern that's a problem..describe what the ACTUAL problem is.

Closed lug nut is too short to tighten against wheel when torqued down?
Lug nut doesn't fit into recess in alloy wheel?

Any half-assed tire shop should be able to figure out what needs to be done.

The alloy wheel you pictured above is a stock LH wheel so there should be no fitment issues whatsoever with your car.

And like i said...If you have the stock lug nuts for the steel wheels with hubcaps they will work on stock alloy wheels. They will just stick out past the face of the wheel. But they will tighten down just fine and hold the wheels on. I did this on my 2000 Base Intrepid when I put some alloy wheels on temporarily until i got different lug nuts.

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And stock steel wheel lug nuts will look different than the picture I provided. There will be a 2nd "shoulder" further up the lug nut that's for holding the wheel cover (hub cap) on.
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All solved!

I stopped at Monteith Tire a few minutes ago (this morning). They not only told me, but showed me what was happening.

The original lug nuts and the one the dealer sold me do not have the right seating (it must be 60 degree seating for this kind of aluminum wheel) and they are not deep enough, meaning that they do not allow enough turns to be safe. We tried it, the original nuts allowed about 3 1/2 turns, the 'right' ones did about 5 1/2 turns. The original lug nuts did not seat properly, there was movement.

Monteith Tire told me that they have aftermarket lug nuts which will fit (60 degree seating, longer shaft allowing the proper amount of turns, yet still are flush with the wheels). The only other option would be to get OEM ones, which nobody seems to be able to identify.

$1.50 a piece, all done and set, and most importantly: safe!

Thank you for all valued input.

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Dodge (the manufacturer) finally responded yesterday.

'Dear XXX,

Thank you for your recent inquiry to Mopar.com.
Part number 6504672 is for the lug nuts.
Please contact your local dealer for information on the part and to
place your order. Currently the lug nuts are not available through
Mopar.com. Please check in again at Mopar.com as we continue to add new
accessories and parts often.

Thanks again for contacting Mopar.com

Sincerely,

XXX

Customer Service Representative
Mopar Customer Assistance

For any future communications related to this email, please refer to the
following information:
REFERENCE NUMBER: 26578471
EMAIL CASE NUMBER: 3116942
REPLY Link: http://www.chrysler.com/XXXXX'


If you dare paying over $200 for a set after waiting for a response (and possible vehicle down time of almost 2 weeks).
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if you can wait until april I should have a set in my garage. aftermarket lugs should fit just fine though. I replaced my chrome lugs for black ones.
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if you can wait until april I should have a set in my garage. aftermarket lugs should fit just fine though. I replaced my chrome lugs for black ones.
I appreciate the offer, but:

A) I did not want to wait (could have though)
B) As stated above, issue is solved
C) I do not want 'should fit'. Already went thru this hassle.

Thank you anyways.
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Not plugging any thing, just sharing... If you want a stylish and quite cheap do get a Metal lugz from 4 Wheel Online. Check the link below for pics and specs.
http://4wheelonline.com/metal-spiked-lugz.240588.0
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