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...if car is started and u go to turn key to start does notting...
That sentence confuses me - IOW why would you turn the key to Start if it is already started (running). Did you mean to say something different?
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I was going to ask the same but I was more interested in the "Mystery" wire that caused the No Start condition first! heh
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it was a bad wire to the pcm the computer.

do u have any ideas way the starter would stay connected to the flywheel like could it be a bad shim or something else im lost. could it be just a bad starter.
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i turned the key to just see if it was engaged still because it sound like the keys is being turned the grinding noise from starter after being started
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i turned the key to just see if it was engaged still because it sound like the keys is being turned the grinding noise from starter after being started
FYI - if the PCM detects that the engine is running, it won’t respond to the key being turned to start.
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...do u have any ideas way the starter would stay connected to the flywheel like could it be a bad shim or something else im lost. could it be just a bad starter.
I’m thinking bad starter capstan, but I’m not an expert on that. Hopefully someone who is will come along.

EDIT: It could also be starter relay sticking closed. Can you tell if the starter motor is actually being electrically energized or if it’s just mechanically hung up (i.e., voltage not being applied to starter while still engaged with flywheel)? You might try pulling the starter fuse or relay when it’s in this condition to see if it then disengages. If you do that and it stays engaged, then it’s a mechanical issue, and again, I’m thinking bad capstan. Or swap starter relay and see if problem goes away. Check that starter mounting bolts are tight.


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For possible quick fix, you could just hit the starter a few times to see if it is "mechanically hung"* as Peva says. Light taps with a hammer, and/or more solid whacks with a block of wood. The starter isn't much fun to remove and this _might_ "fix" it.

If that doesn't fix it, then go with Peva's tests shown just above.

For a more complete fix, remove it and bench test it.

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For possible quick fix, you could just hit the starter a few times to see if it is "mechanically hung"* as Peva says. Light taps with a hammer, and/or more solid whacks with a block of wood. The starter isn't much fun to remove and this _might_ "fix" it.

If that doesn't fix it, then go with Peva's tests shown just above.

For a more complete fix, remove it and bench test it.

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alright got the starter done now i need to know if there is a easy way to check the timing belt. and the harmonic balancer seems to be jumping around a little was going to change next but want to check belt
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The 2.7L doesn't have a Timing Belt...it has a Timing Chain. There's no specified interval for the chain replacement.

How many miles are on the car? Your biggest worry should be the Water Pump which is internal to the engine and driven by the timing chain. One of the biggest failures in the 2.7L is the water pump having the bearings fail and putting slack in the chain. Or leaking internally and ruining the crankshaft bearings, etc.

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What was the deal with the starter?
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alright so what should i be looking for did the cam crank new stater new battery getting fuel got power to fuse box all fuses look good.what is best next step car ran good before it was parked. could the timing belt go bad well it sat for two years pretty sure im not just getting spark
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As mentioned earlier, the 2.7 has a timing chain - all metal - no rotting.
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alright got the starter done now i need to know if there is a easy way to check the timing belt. and the harmonic balancer seems to be jumping around a little was going to change next but want to check belt
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The 2.7L doesn't have a Timing Belt...it has a Timing Chain...
Hey J - the 2.7 has a timing chain - no belt. It should give you some peace to know that. The 2.7 gets the "No belt peace prize".
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alright got the starter done now i need to know if there is a easy way to check the timing belt. and the harmonic balancer seems to be jumping around a little was going to change next but want to check belt
. I suggest buying a Haynes Manual for your car. They can be found on eBay cheap. Folks on this forum are always glad to help but a little studying of a repair manual will speed up the process. And help clarify terminology and such. Also YouTube has videos demonstrating things like checking timing on the 2.7 engine. I’m not familiar enough with that series engine to answer your question about checking timing.
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new shims were done to the starter and the noise stopped.and sorry i know its a timing chain not belt type o. the car has 101.000 miles on it and not trying to check timing just to see if chain is good or if it needs done.car starts up great hearing a noise from the harmonic balancer just dont want to buy that and it be the chain.thanks again
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If the noise is chain related, it would most likely be from a bad (collapsed) tensioner causing chain slack, resulting in the tensioner arm clacking back and forth from camshaft cogging.

Minor complaint: Please use proper punctuation and capitalization in your posts. Not being a grammar Nazi - it just makes reading easier *and*, without it, the meaning of what you are trying to say can sometimes be unclear.

You say the “harmonic balancer seems to be jumping around a little”. If it just has a consistent wobble as you view it from above with engine idling, that can be normal. If the wobble is less than, say, 1/16”, then it’s probably OK. If wobble is more than 1/8”, then it may be tilted.

The outer ring of the pulley is press-fitted onto a thick rubber band around the hub of the pulley (that gives the pulley it’s “damping” properties) - the outer ring (grooved for the accessory belts) should stay fairly straight, but if it slips so that it has a tilt/wobble to it, it should be replaced. Usually if that happens (slips one time or gradually slips over time) it has a constant wobble while you’re watching it, but if it actually gets loose on the rubber band and starts moving around, you will see the amount of wobble change a lot. That’s worse than a constant wobble, and it could come apart (possibly doing damage).

But again, a minor wobble 1/16” or less is normal. Between 1/16 and 1/8” wobble is a grey area. I wouldn’t think the pulley would make noise unless it was really loose and changing its wobble.

But if you’re hearing what I would describe as a “clacking” noise, I would suspect a bad chain tensioner (again, the noise would be from the chain tensioner arm slapping back and forth from cam cogging at certain engine speeds) - that can eventually wreck things if the chain were to slip teeth.

If your water pump bearings are getting ready to go (trying to lock up, or pump shaft wobbling), I don’t know if it would make noise either from the pump itself or it’s effect on the chain.


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