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No more Kenne Bell Optimizer II........now what?

I sent an email to Kenne Bell yesterday looking for some pricing and specs for the ECM's for the 3.5 and this is the response I recieved:



I'll see if we have any more. We stopped using the optimizer's due to the 4.0l Jeep kit getting discontinued. Ill let you know if we do have any optimizer's. Have a good day, Thanks Dan
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fax (909) 944-4883

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If this is truly the case, now what options are out there?
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They haven't been available for quite a few years.

Not really much of an answer out there. If you find a good option, be sure to post it.
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They haven't been available for quite a few years.

Not really much of an answer out there. If you find a good option, be sure to post it.
Someone sent me a link that went to the kenne bell website, which is still active. If they aren't available, why would their site still be active?

http://www.kennebell.net/accessories...optimizer2.htm

What else is out there? Is there anyone who re-programs ECM's?
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Jet will re-program them - but I don't know what years... There's a guy on the board that had Jet re-flash a PCM to run a Ford 3.8 (I think it was).
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Jet will re-program them - but I don't know what years... There's a guy on the board that had Jet re-flash a PCM to run a Ford 3.8 (I think it was).
Over the years the consensus was that the JET stuff was crap. Thats all speculation though because I have never personally seen someone with it.

Kenne Bell offered the product for other cars still for a long time, but its been several years since they stopped doing it for us. They really were a bunch of jerks about refusing to do it for some BS reasons.
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What would be the issues with JET? If you're using the chrysler ECM you wouldn't need to worry about quality issues, would you? What type of programing did they do? Custom or one size fits all? I had a friend when we use to race 2.2 turbo's that could make modifications to the fuel and timing curves with his laptop, and that was over 10 years ago, how come you can't do that now? My main concern is the transmission; I race it and even at WOT the shifts are long and spongy. I want to change the duty cycle time to almost nothing so it won't burn it up.
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What would be the issues with JET? If you're using the chrysler ECM you wouldn't need to worry about quality issues, would you? What type of programing did they do? Custom or one size fits all? I had a friend when we use to race 2.2 turbo's that could make modifications to the fuel and timing curves with his laptop, and that was over 10 years ago, how come you can't do that now? My main concern is the transmission; I race it and even at WOT the shifts are long and spongy. I want to change the duty cycle time to almost nothing so it won't burn it up.
It has to do with the fact that in this generation of cars Chrysler was a bunch of dicks and refused to let people program their ECMs. Anyone that started to figure it out and talk about how to do it got legal action threatened by Chrysler. This is why there is no easy tuning option for our cars. There are people here willing to build some impressive engines, but without access to tuning nobody has really gone too extreme.

The word from the JET chips is that they didn't do anything.

There are a lot of theories about solutions that you can find us discuss if you look around, but nothing anyone has had the time/money to figure out.



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...My main concern is the transmission; I race it and even at WOT the shifts are long and spongy. I want to change the duty cycle time to almost nothing so it won't burn it up.
You have a 2001. Are you not aware that the PCM softens WOT shifts by cutting off some of the injectors during the shift, and that you can disable that feature by cutting the Torque Control wire between the TCM and the PCM? (This wire is not accessible after 2001 when the TCM and PCM were combined into one unit.)
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You have a 2001. Are you not aware that the PCM softens WOT shifts by cutting off some of the injectors during the shift, and that you can disable that feature by cutting the Torque Control wire between the TCM and the PCM? (This wire is not accessible after 2001 when the TCM and PCM were combined into one unit.)
Is this true for cars 98-01? I have always thought the shifts were spongy on my concorde.
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Jet will re-program them - but I don't know what years... There's a guy on the board that had Jet re-flash a PCM to run a Ford 3.8 (I think it was).
I will have to do some searching, but it wasn't a chip - The chips are effective in some applications, but I don't have any knowledge on our cars for the external chips (and not the crap you see on ebay for 10 bucks that fits everything). There was a factory ECM that was sent to JET and they tinkered with it, changed timing, firing order, etc... Again, I don't know what was done to make this happen, but it was not overly pricey and apparently is now running the Ford motor...
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You have a 2001. Are you not aware that the PCM softens WOT shifts by cutting off some of the injectors during the shift, and that you can disable that feature by cutting the Torque Control wire between the TCM and the PCM? (This wire is not accessible after 2001 when the TCM and PCM were combined into one unit.)
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Is this true for cars 98-01? I have always thought the shifts were spongy on my concorde.
Yes - that is what the FSM says, except, I called it the wrong thing - it is called torque management, not torque control.

From the FSM:
TORQUE MANAGEMENT
OPERATION
The PCM receives the torque management input from the transmission control module. The PCM receives the input when the transmission shifts gears. In response, the PCM shuts off a number of fuel injectors when the transmission shifts gears.


*AND* if you look at the schematics for the tranmission control systems, you will see the Yellow/Dark Green wire that runs between the TCM and PCM called "Torque Management Request Sense".

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