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About to make the jump and buy HID Projectors...but...

http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/DODGE...ht_7383wt_1167

Has anyone bought these lights from this company? Is it legit? Do they fit properly? Do the HIDs that go with the kit fit properly in the housings where, if it were stock housings, a 9006 bulb would go?

I just want to make sure I'm buying the right kit before I pay for it and end up needing to shell out shipping for the return because they didn't fit properly.
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Rip off, it looks like.

While I'm not sure what the average cost of projectors for an Intrepid goes for these days, you could always find a set of new or even used housings, and buy the bulbs yourself.

Two sources I trust for HIDs:

www.ddmtuning.com
www.hidny.com

Just make sure you get the correct bulb type for whatever headlight housing.
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I often wonder,when i read things like this,
"# Instruction is not included, highly recommend to install by professional mechanic
# Buyers will only receive what is shown in the listing picture"

no instructions?, i know its a fairly easy install,, but still,,,,
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I often wonder,when i read things like this,
"# Instruction is not included, highly recommend to install by professional mechanic
# Buyers will only receive what is shown in the listing picture"

no instructions?, i know its a fairly easy install,, but still,,,,
I'll be honest, I've never seen a set of projectors come with instructions. They're either complete plug and play, or you have to tap into the parking light socket for use of the LEDs and halos.

The only oddball thing I've seen was the 1st gen projectors for the Grand Am, the headlights are normally 9007s, but the projectors split it to seperate high and low beams (H1 both sides) but the back was too bulky, and the header panel had to be cut to make the space for them (the 2nd and 3rd gen projectors resolved those issues thankfully) and even then, that was known from other owners doing trial and error and posting How-To's online. No instructions with those either.
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Those look pretty good! I don't see anything wong with getting those but u may want to make sure seller has decent feedback! As too the price I know the avg price for those type of hids is around $40 to $48 shipped and u get to choose the ballast wattage, type of bulb, and color temp! I got 2 hid kits in the 6000k color for my bonneville and ive had them for alittle over a year with no problems! As to the no instructions ask seller if hid kit comes with instructions or not!
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Bought! I'll let everyone know how they turn out once I get them and install them!
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I've looked at all the sellers of projector lights for LHSs (Concord, Trep, 300M) and none of the come with instructions. Gonna get the chrome projectors myself but wait on the HID kits.
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Who know,may I can install HID kit in my Trep.Is it legal?
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Who know,may I can install HID kit in my Trep.Is it legal?
It is in CA, but I don't see why they would be illegal in any state. They aren't blinding if the headlights are aligned properly, and they are more efficient than regular halogen bulbs.
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I often wonder,when i read things like this,
"# Instruction is not included, highly recommend to install by professional mechanic
# Buyers will only receive what is shown in the listing picture"

no instructions?, i know its a fairly easy install,, but still,,,,
they either dont want to bother with endless applications or dont want to be liable when you burn up your car and you did it the way they said.
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My understanding is the act of retrofitting your car with HID's is illegal. However, if the car comes with HID's from the factory they are legal. In fact the company I purchased mine from did in fact state that they were illegal in all 50 states when I purchased them.

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Dudley DoRight is right. My 1st post was more concerning the color issue. I found 3 more Interps which say CONVERSION KITS are not compliant with FMVSS108.
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http://isearch.nhtsa.gov/files/Shih.3.html

http://isearch.nhtsa.gov/files/deetz.ztv.html

http://isearch.nhtsa.gov/files/kim.ztv.html

On this issue, enforcement could vary state to state depending on your state's motor vehicle statutes and motor vehicle regulations. Some states have regulations adopting FMVSS 108 into their laws by reference and if a lighting device does not meet FMVSS 108 you could be ticketed. That would be IF the officers in your area are aware of this. In CT there is no training on DMV Regulations and the Motor Vehicle statutes on equipment are treated lightly with no practical info on current equipment violation trends or inspection methods. But Joe Citizen is from CA where there is a large street racer culture. If Joe gets stopped by a CA officer who regularly deals with this clientel he or she will probably be able to determine if the lights are a conversion kit.

Where I work, it is the color of the lights that draw enforcement attention.

Thanks Dudley.
Posted by Norkem on Officer.com

Edit: If you do install, if they don't work when you install them, turn the plug backwards. On mine, the ballast used white and black and I believe the factory plug used red and black, however matching black and black didn't work. Also, taking the steps to properly aim your HID's will prevent a lot of problems.

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If it has DOT on it then its legal! If anything is illegal its the higher color temp hid bulbs like anything over 8000K
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Here is a reply from the same guy and from the same thread:

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First of all the statement DOT APPROVED is misleading. NHTSA, an arm of the U.S. DOT, does not approve or disapprove MV equipment. It does set Federal Motor Vehicle Safety Standards for all MV equipment. FMVSS 108 covers lights. Manufacturers SELF-CERTIFY that their product meets the standard.

Several years ago when the aftermarket tail light/lens first became popular, there were many versions and most of them did not comply with FMVSS 108 even though the packaging said legal in 50 states or DOT approved. The products also have DOT numbers imprinted on them. These letters/numbers indicate certain parts of the product are compliant such as rear lens, rear color, rear reflector, side reflector, side lens, side color etc. There were DOT numbers on many of these aftermarket lenses but usually all of the numbers were not present. This indicates that parts of the lens were not compliant. Also see http://fmvss108.tripod.com-this is a NON-government site with lots of info about lights-mostly taillights.

HID headlights-If it has a transformer (ballast) it is an HID light. A true HID light casts a white light (looks like light blue tint). There are cheap imitations which are a plain bulb with a blue coating and these cast a blue light. When I stop a car with suspect headlights I hold a piece of white paper in front of the light. If the paper turns blue, that is illegal and driver gets "Norked" (gets a ticket). See the following NHTSA Interp letter at http://www.nhtsa.dot.gov/cars/rules/...18.ztv.html-It says, "SAE J578c defines white by blue, yellow, green, red and purple boundaries within a chromaticity diagram. Thus, it is possible to design a headlamp that emits a light that approaches the blue boundary and is perceived as having a blue tint but which nevertheless remains within the boundaries that define "white"".

As far as what state you live in it does not matter. All states light laws follow FMVSS 108 for the basic MV lights.

I AM NOT SUGGESTING THAT YOU ARGUE WITH ANY POLICE OFFICER WHO MAY STOP YOU FOR THE HEADLIGHTS. You could try carrying a copy of the above NHTSA interp letter with you and politely asking to officer to read the above paragraph (this could backfire). Best bet is to plead not guilty and plead your case at court.

Hope this answers your question.
http://forums.officer.com/forums/sho...ll-Me-Over-Now

The poster is indeed an officer.
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So, going back to the original topic of this post. I got my kit in the mail yesterday. I plan on installing them this weekend. To anyone who has installed HID projectors onto a trep before, are there any "snags" I need to be aware of? or is it a simple, clean job? This is how I imagine it would work:

-Remove old headlights
-Splice halos into parking lights
-plug in HIDs to ballast, find a place to secure ballast in the engine bay (anywhere you guys recommend?)
-Plug in ballast to stock headlight wiring
-Insert HID bulbs into headlight housings
-Bolt on headlights
-Align headlights
-DONE

Again, is there anything that would hold this process up? Or are these headlights an easy replacement job?
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So, going back to the original topic of this post. I got my kit in the mail yesterday. I plan on installing them this weekend. To anyone who has installed HID projectors onto a trep before, are there any "snags" I need to be aware of? or is it a simple, clean job? This is how I imagine it would work:

-Remove old headlights
-Splice halos into parking lights
-plug in HIDs to ballast, find a place to secure ballast in the engine bay (anywhere you guys recommend?)
-Plug in ballast to stock headlight wiring
-Insert HID bulbs into headlight housings
-Bolt on headlights
-Align headlights
-DONE

Again, is there anything that would hold this process up? Or are these headlights an easy replacement job?
I mounted my ballasts on a little shelf underneath the headlights. There is enough room for the headlamps to sit perfectly over them. Gets some 3m tape too hold them in place but its such a snug place the headlamp and the tension of the wires practically holds it in place.

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