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post #1 of 36 (permalink) Old 01-04-2002, 11:24 PM Thread Starter
 
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Twin Turbos/Supercharger

So, a Prowler has less engine compartment room than we do. If they can twin turbo or supercharge a Prowler, why couldn't they do that to an Intrepid? Right? What am I missing?

Check out these two links:
http://www.prowleronline.com/ubb/For...ML/000171.html

http://www.idaautomotive.com/dyno2.htm
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again I can sum it up in three little words

money money money

Prowler owners are generally wealthier than Intrepid owners and do not use their cars as daily drivers, therefore they can and do spend a lot more money getting performance out of their cars

The Prowler post says that the estimated cast for twin turbo setup is $10,000, how many Intrepid owners are willing to spend that kind of money on thier cars?

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hmm, with all this talk about it being able to happen, I bet there are a few treps out there with a system installed on it. there are hundreds of thousands of treps in north america. pretty much if you can think about it, some one has done it.

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I've measured under the hood of the Prowler, and believe or not, the Prowler's frame rails are further away from the engine than the Intrepid's. Also,the front suspension is different. There's not much room for the plumbing for a supercharger,etc. I still think it could be done with a Paxton "Prowler" kit, but it would take a lot more money and fabrication. I have the Prowler instalation manual, and I'm still thinking about it. For that kind of money, I think I'll wait for the 2003 R/T, and see what kind of motor/power options are available.
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I think I'll wait for the 2003 R/T
Huh??? You mean 2004 right???



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Warlord - I hear you and agree with you on this one. There are LOTS of happy customers using the Paxton SC at www.prowleronline.com. Just check out the performance discussion boards.

Now that Chrysler has officially killed the Prowler, maybe Paxton will look to the large number of Treps and 300Ms to recoup their R&D dollars on the 3.5L SC kit. All of the fuel management issues should already be ironed out since the engine is identical.

Even if a redesigned exhaust manifold, (or headers), and a revised hood with a bulge and/or airscoop are required to fit on an LH platform, there'd be some takers like me!

A guy named "Bobby" posted under "Modifications I have found" that he was checking into a Paxton SC installation with appropriate exhaust manifold/header mods for his Trep. No update for quite awhile on any progress, however...

An extra 100HP at the crank (which Paxton claims) would be worth dropping some major coin!!
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Here is an idea to save some cash: You don't need twin turbo's on a vehicle with a V shaped engine. Need proof? Take a look at Turbo Buick's. 3.8L V6, single turbo and they are one of the strongest turbo cars ever producecd.
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Here is an idea to save some cash: You don't need twin turbo's on a vehicle with a V shaped engine. Need proof? Take a look at Turbo Buick's. 3.8L V6, single turbo and they are one of the strongest turbo cars ever producecd.
I thought someone said that the way our engine is setup, that it would need to be twin turboed. I'm all for a single turbo.

platinum300M...welcome to the boards. I think you are the first 300M on this board.

I hope that turns out to be true about Paxton. Of course, a little cheaper wouldn't hurt either.
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twin or single turbo, if it could ever be done! Computers would need to be chipped, there is none, and what about the extra back pressure created by a turbo on one side only? GM spent a gazillion $$ figuring that out, do you think Paxton or anyone for that matter will worry about a very few DC owners that would honestly spend more than $20 on their cars? We are loaded up with people asking about cheap dual systems so why all the questions about expensive TURBOs? Get real and ask these companies to come up with a workable chip that will actually remap the fuel, spark, etc. I've edited this post and apologize to anyone that saw it before I made the changes. It sounded like I was really raging and it wasn't meant that way.

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I don't mean to aggravate Don, or anyone else, but I would spend the big bucks for a supercharger system that could fit. Don't get me wrong, if I could pick up 5 H.P. for 20 bucks, I would be the first in line. I'm not kidding myself into thinking that there's hundreds of other Intrepid owners who feel the same way I do, or who are fortunate enough to be able to do it money wise. On the other hand, I'll bet there are one or two.

That's what this forum is for (I think.) I check in almost every day, but I don't post anything unless I have anything worth saying. I read every post, and I'm gratefull for everyone's comments on anything about Intrepids. I've learned a lot thanks to the thoughts, time, and efforts of others who post here.

So, regarding superchargers, I'm still interested in what others think about it, or find out. Thanks to people like everyone one this forum, I don't think that there's any "cheap" horsepower tricks left that haven't been found and shared. There's no doubt in my mind that the Paxton Prowler hardware will work if someone can make it fit. Someone, maybe Paxton, maybe me, is going to have to tear down an Interpid and see what has to be done. I just want to be sure that I've done all my homework before I start a project like this.
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take your car to any company that can do custom work, show them money and they will do it for you
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Unequal pressure from a single turbo on a V engine?

The compressed air from the turbo enters the engine the same way it does through an N/A car, through the throttle body(ies.)

Now if you meant exhaust, that is corrected by the gasses being piped to the turbo from the rear of the exhaust manifolds, where they join to become one pipe. Last time I had a look under a GN or any turbo Buick, it was a single into dual exhaust. The dual coming after all the turbo routing.

Really, not that hard to do.
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I am interested in any mods that can be possible be done to this car. It doesn't matter if they are cheap or holy hell expensive. As for what mods I end up doing to my car is going to depend on many factors. But, I like to have the whole picture shown to me so I can make informed decisions. I personally may not be able to afford a turbo or supercharger today, but tomorrow who knows. Also, someone who has some cash might be reading this and might realize that this mod could be done.

I like to know what all my options are. And like lcwjr said, if I could get an extra 5hp for only $20, hell yeah I would do it! Why wouldn't anybody do that?
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One thing some seem to forget.....

Chysler Ultradrive Type Tranny

The Prowler has a heavy duty rear wheel drive setup with transmission cooling. I looked at one the other day at a dealership.

If you get 350+HP out of a 3.2L or 3.5L Trep/300M/Concorde with a supercharger Etc. think of the Front Wheel Drive system Torque-Steer! That steering wheel would jerk so hard when the tranny shifts! Probably would end up braking or damaging the tranny mounts!

It may be able to work better if a special tranny cooling setup was implimented and with stronger reinforcement but I steel doubt it would work that great for long.

I am pretty sure that the Ultradrive Type system would not be able to take the power. They already have issues and are already sensitive sometimes. I am sure that this is the main reason Chrysler hasen't done more with the high potential of the 3.5L for the LH platform.

But let's say it could work fine.... Think of the FWD burnout you could do! It'd be off the hook!

And yes $$$ is another issue unfortunately


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No one will make me mad, that's why I edited my last post, lest someone else took offense. Back pressure in the exhaust system! A supercharger stands a far better chance of working. The exhaust thing - our cats are mounted up high on the header pipe area so changing to a 2 into 1 to fit a turbo would be tough. Then you take into account the distance between a turbo and the TB, I don't have figures but I do know that the distance becomes a factor. Now, a supercharger! I too might be interested, but a chip has to be in tha package to get the true benefits.
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