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post #1 of 65 (permalink) Old 02-04-2002, 11:44 AM Thread Starter
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K+N aircharger is not a good idea

ok, thanks to other members I contacted K&N about their aircharger kits p/n #63-1029 + 63-1030 and can now cofidently say DO NOT BUY THEM!!!!

the K&N kit does not replace the 45 degree bend to the throttle body

this is the most restrictive peice of the whole intake and without replacing it your performance gains will be minimal if at all

these are the instalation instructions I received from K+N, they are blurry because they were faxed but if you look at the bottom image in the middle column it clearly shows the OEM throttle body bend being reused

here is the image saved as JPG (blurry)

K&N installation instructions (JPG)

and here is the original fax saved as a TIFF file (better but not everyone will be able to use this type of file) K&N installation instructions (TIF)

if anyone would like me to forward the fax to them just send your fax number to me [email protected]

when calling K&N ask the specific question "is the Throttle body connector reused" this is the only way they will give you a true answer

so, what have you learned Dorothy?? L_Intake is still the best bang for the buck!!!!

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post #2 of 65 (permalink) Old 02-04-2002, 12:15 PM
 
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Great research Joekd
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If JoeKD read those intructions right, then he is right. The K&N kit will only make your car SOUND cool, not much else if it doesn't replace that bend into the throttle body.
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Boy....that news is gonna piss off a certain member of this board.
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However, this news is a little disturbing that K&N would put their name on a product like this and charge so much!

To me, it says that they saw a market in the Intrepid emerging, and instead of investing in a lot of R&D to get out a great product, they rushed a half-assed product to market to make a quick buck, hoping that none of us would know any better...
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glad the 1st gen stock intake isn't a restrictive POS like the 2nd gen.

thanks for doing the research, joekd...hope this will sway some people to do the do-it-yourself way and make that L_intake.
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I know the guy who designed the AIR CHARGER for the 2nd Gen. Wait until he hears from me! Hold on folks! This isn't over yet! :mad:
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I'm gonna kill someone............ bloody intake got my hopes up....
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Just one more thing........ i'm wondering if the pictures in the instructions are just reused from the instruction to the 2.7L install. I mean why would K&N make take two different photos of the engine area. It is plain to see that there may be a chance that there really is a Intake for these Interpids that are worth it........ Hopefully, MoparPerformance can settle this one and check if his pictures on his instruction are the same as the ones you have enclosed in your post...... one last chance.
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the document they sent says it is just for p/n 63-1029, I'm calling them now to get a fax for the 63-1030 (2.7) sheets

should be ready in a little bit..stay tuned
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Boy....that news is gonna piss off a certain member of this board.
That's what I was thinking right when I saw the title of this thread. :p
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here they are, the instructions for the 2.7 aircharger p/n 63-1030

it is almost identical to the other sheets!!!

here's the JPG
K&N aircharger 63-1030

and here's the TIFF
K&N 2.7 aircharger 63-1030 (TIFF)

hmmm...
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Nothing to be angry about but I don't necessarily think that there's call to say it's not a good idea and scare the shhht out of everyone. Let people try it, they don't like it they should send it back.

Yes the small rubber PCV Tube remains, it has to I believe because it has a sensor.

The "L" shaped plastic box that connects to the PCV Tube is eliminated.

It does make a slight high end acceleration difference. I can drive 25 more miles per tank of fuel and my car sounds raw.

I stongly believe the K&N Intake kit is better than an "L" intake because it is not pulling the air upward through a filter in the box.

The K&N kit also comes with a heatshield to limit the intake from pulling in hot air from the engine. The K&N Intake filter is huge and seems like it would work a lot better than the drop in filter.

Pretty soon I'll get some dyno results so we can actually see how good it is but I'm happy with mine in my 2.7L.

So far my ass dyno feels like it's puttin' out a little more torque. Feels like there's around a 15-20HP increase. I'll post actual dyno results and let everyone know what the increase really is.


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15-20 HP? haha

thats hilarious, my guess would be no more then 5 HP.
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The "L" shaped plastic box that connects to the PCV Tube is eliminated.

I stongly believe the K&N Intake kit is better than an "L" intake because it is not pulling the air upward through a filter in the box.

The K&N kit also comes with a heatshield to limit the intake from pulling in hot air from the engine. The K&N Intake filter is huge and seems like it would work a lot better than the drop in filter.

The PVC connector is not the one in question, we are referring to the 45 degree bend that connects to the throttle body. In your K&N instructions it is step 13 where it says place the #66 hose clamp (supplied) ont he throttle body hose and reinstall it onto the throttle body

this is the most restrictive piece of the whole intake, if this is not replaced your power gains are minimal. In other words a lot of noise but little actual power gains

as for the gains given by the cone filter/heat shield combo, Lister tested the stage 2 L_Intake which had that exact same setup and there was no power gain

if the info I got directly from K&N is incorrect, my apologies to all. the installation instructions are K&N part #172007 (2.7) and #172008 (3/5) as shown in the lower right hand corner of K&N's documents

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