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post #1 of 17 (permalink) Old 11-15-2005, 09:13 PM Thread Starter
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Hi! How y'all doin'?

Well, just about everyday when I try to change lanes on the highway, I have to zip back into my lane because some dingbat didn't use their turn signal. It seems they don't even look in their mirror to make sure the lane is clear for them to change lanes. It could be that I'm driving too fast, but that's beside the point . . .

Anyway, what I want is the vehicle to be stabilized somehow. I know what tight steering feels like and I don't like the way the body rolls all over the place. In other words, I don't want it to go into the next lane from the lane I'm trying to get back in. I guess I have good tires because they don't skeech when I do this.

Is there a way I can do this? Where would I start? Thank you for your suggestions.
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So do you want tighter steering or better handling?

One of the things you can do to decrease body roll is by putting stiffer springs on and lower the car. Generally you do both when putting on lowering springs. Other ideas are sway bars and reduce weight.
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Hey guys - 91k on her car. Are the struts still good and what about all the bushings? Could they all be squishy and letting the body roll/steering slop.

I doubt that the M Special sway bars are in her future - Warlord.
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Make sure all your steering components are up to snuff...especially the inner tie-rod bushings. The bushings are prone to failure in the 2G treps. If your car wanders, I'd start there. Make sure the rack is solid as well as all the other components.
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So do you want tighter steering or better handling?

One of the things you can do to decrease body roll is by putting stiffer springs on and lower the car. Generally you do both when putting on lowering springs. Other ideas are sway bars and reduce weight.
I guess I want better handling. I'd like the steering wheel to be more responsive. It just doesn't seem tight enough.

That's a thought. I do have a lot of junk in my trunk, literally. I'll be cleaning that out tomorrow.

Please bear with me and tell me what is a sway bar and where does it go?
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Make sure all your steering components are up to snuff...especially the inner tie-rod bushings. The bushings are prone to failure in the 2G treps. If your car wanders, I'd start there. Make sure the rack is solid as well as all the other components.
Hey, thanks, In2! I'll have to figure out what "inner tie-rod bushings" are so I'll know what I'm talking about when I get it checked out.

But please indulge me and tell me what "the rack" is.

I'm sorry.
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Cool Rack and sway bar.

Hello.
The "rack" that they are referring to is the steering rack. It is what changes your turning motion at the steering wheel to the back and forth motion to turn the wheels. The proper name is "rack and pinion steering gear", named so for it's construction (kinda technical to describe and I don't think that is what you are looking for).
Here's a link to a simplified veiw of a steering rack:

http://www.imperialclub.com/Repair/Steering/rack.jpg

Here's a simple little blurb on steering racks:

http://www.buy-steering.com/learn.htm

Here is a more detailed explaination of the Intrepid rack, this is for a first generation Intrepid, but they are essentially the same layout as a second generation:

http://www.allpar.com/fix/intrepid-steering.html

Even if you don't want to or can't fix it yourself, this info should at least make you an informed consumer.

A sway bar is usually a solid metal bar that connects the left and right suspension to each other. It exists to help eliminate the rolling or leaning that you get when cornering. As the body leans into a turn it twists the sway bay and pushes the car back to a more level position. Bigger bar = less body roll = slightly rougher ride.

Here's a little blurb on sway bars:

http://auto.howstuffworks.com/question432.htm

What do you mean by not tight enough? Is there a lot of slop as you turn the wheel? Ie: there is movement in the steering wheel before the tires move.
If this is the case it could be tie rods (they connect the "rack" to the wheel steering knuckles) worn rubber bushings on the rack where it attaches to the body, loose clamps or excessive play in the rack itself. I would put my money on worn rubber bushings in the inner tie rod ends or the rack attaching clamps, check out the allpar link above for a picture and description. Just remember that these are big family style cars and some play is not unusual, they're not meant to be "tight" like sports cars but not loose to the point of control problems. Although they do quite well considering the size and intended use of the vehicle.

No matter what, your vehicle should not wander around, especially when you are changing lanes or doing emergency avoidance manuevers. Get it checked out by a professional if you are not comfortable. We're talking about you, your fellow motorist's, and pedestrian's lives here!

good luck

BJ

PS. No need to be sorry about asking questions. That's how you learn, not everyone remembers that they had to start somewhere too. I applaud your initiave and courage to ask rather than be "in the dark". If anyone gives you guff for asking "simple questions", just ignore them. They've just forgotten that there was a time they were asking the same questions. Take care and drive safe!

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*printing this out*

It DOES! Thank you. I suddenly don't feel like such a "dumb girl."

Sorry so late responding. This freakin' Christmas crap is killing me.
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Thanks, BJ! I'll be VERY informed about what I need to have done after I go through all this wealth of information.

I've read a little bit about the sway bar and I think I'd like to get one.

How can I find out how big or little it needs to be? I mean, specifically for a 2000 Trep. I know YOU know . . .


What do you mean by not tight enough? Is there a lot of slop as you turn the wheel? Ie: there is movement in the steering wheel before the tires move.

Yes, there IS movement in the steering wheel before the tires move. Not a lot but its there. I guess I'd like the wheel and the tire to be more in sync.

If this is the case it could be tie rods (they connect the "rack" to the wheel steering knuckles) worn rubber bushings on the rack where it attaches to the body, loose clamps or excessive play in the rack itself. I would put my money on worn rubber bushings in the inner tie rod ends or the rack attaching clamps, check out the allpar link above for a picture and description. Just remember that these are big family style cars and some play is not unusual, they're not meant to be "tight" like sports cars but not loose to the point of control problems. Although they do quite well considering the size and intended use of the vehicle.

You're absolutely right. My brother had a little sports car back in the day and I loved the way the steering was so responsive. My car has always too much play for me but I figured that's because, like you said, its a family car and I did get spoiled.

I'm taking your advice and getting the rubber bushings what you said checked out. Man, I'm gonna have to practice saying this stuff in a mirror.


No matter what, your vehicle should not wander around, especially when you are changing lanes or doing emergency avoidance manuevers. Get it checked out by a professional if you are not comfortable. We're talking about you, your fellow motorist's, and pedestrian's lives here!

Oh, I'd definitely get it fixed if I thought something was seriously wrong; just looking for improvement. I figured there must be some way to make it more responsive and what better place to ask that question but here and I sure did get excellent advice from y'all.


PS. No need to be sorry about asking questions. That's how you learn, not everyone remembers that they had to start somewhere too. I applaud your initiave and courage to ask rather than be "in the dark". If anyone gives you guff for asking "simple questions", just ignore them. They've just forgotten that there was a time they were asking the same questions. Take care and drive safe![/QUOTE]

I'm really glad you told me that. Because on some of these boards, y'all might as well be talking about working on the Starship Enterprise, from where I see. :icon_conf
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I've heard VERY few people complain about the way the Treps handle. Yes, they're BIG cars but they handle like a common mid-sized car - so if you've got complaints chances are you have maintenance to look forward to. You might also have a mechanic check the frame bushings in addition to the above (rack, inner tie-rod, and sway bar bushings). Haven't heard of as many wear-outs on the 2G (1999-2004) as the 1G (1993-97) Treps but the 2G's are starting to show their age.

Good luck and let us know how things turn out ...!!!

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BTW: you should have front and rear sway bars from the factory. If you look at the diagrams in the prev. post, the unlabeled black arrow on the left side points out the front stabilizer bar. This one is hard to see from outside w/o looking from underneath.

The rear sway bar is visible from the back of the car.

If you don't know how to (or don't feel comfortable with) checking the front suspension components, have a good mechanic give it the once-over.

If the car has the original struts, its probably due for new ones. I recently did inner / outer tie rod ends and 4 new Monroe SensaTrac struts and am quite please w/ the results. Feels like a new car.

Good luck and enjoy your 'Trep..
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Nice ride Sheri... especially the colour

Like the others have said, get the bushings and what-not out of the way first. Then if you want your car to really respond (and ride flat), put some R/T parts in there. (performance handling package rules !!)
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I've heard VERY few people complain about the way the Treps handle. Yes, they're BIG cars but they handle like a common mid-sized car - so if you've got complaints chances are you have maintenance to look forward to. You might also have a mechanic check the frame bushings in addition to the above (rack, inner tie-rod, and sway bar bushings). Haven't heard of as many wear-outs on the 2G (1999-2004) as the 1G (1993-97) Treps but the 2G's are starting to show their age.

Good luck and let us know how things turn out ...!!!
Hey, D7!

Well, I'm not really complaining; more liking WHINING! LOL! I realize the car probably handles like it should. In fact, it handles the same way when I bought it new. I'd just like it to be more responsive, that's all.

I WILL be getting it checked out though. I mean, the car is almost 6 years old.

That's a cool older car by the way.

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Nice ride Sheri... especially the colour

Like the others have said, get the bushings and what-not out of the way first. Then if you want your car to really respond (and ride flat), put some R/T parts in there. (performance handling package rules !!)
Hey, cousin! LOL!

Wow. That's a pretty girl you got there.

Hmmm, R/T parts, that may be a good idea.

Where did you get your rims from?
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