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Basically, Iím in the very early stages of building a turbo kit for you second gen guys. I need to take care of some personal stuff this winter but come spring I should be ready to start making parts. I already have a couple volunteers to use their cars for prototyping.

There are still a ton of things I need to research but Iím getting there. This wont be a complete bolt on kit but it will be as close as I can make it without getting too expensive. You are going to have to buy some of the more expensive parts but I will be providing the parts that are not easily fabricated. It should end up around 90% bolt in. You will need some skills under the hood to get this working but it doesnít require a degree either. I will be posting a detailed, with pics, how to for those that want to read ahead. Thatís where a lot of my prototyping work comes in.

I still have some decisions to make which will effect what parts you will have to buy but hereís the list, so far...

You will buy:
Turbo
Intercooler
Wastegate
Air filter

You have the option to buy:
Blow off valve
Boost controller
Larger injectors
Piggy back computer
Boost gauge
And lots of other ďupgradesĒ

I will be providing:
Exhaust manifolds
downpipe
filter to turbo pipe
turbo to intercooler pipe
intercooler to intake manifold pipe
all the couplers to hook it up with clamps
Turbo cooler lines (oil and coolant)
misc hardware
any brackets that are required
A Big Fat "How To" book

Obviously Iíll be trying to keep price down as much as possible. Iím aiming for under $1000 for my part. I can put together a complete kit for you to just bolt in and go but you will end up paying for all of the "you buy" stuff along with my kit. The advantage is that you will know for sure that everything will fit and work together. Downside, its going to cost a little more.

The plans at the moment include a standard oil/water cooled T3 turbo, external wastegate, atmospheric blow off valve. Exhaust side of the system will be stainless steel and the intake side will be aluminum. There are a few coating companies in town where I can take your parts to be coated. Pretty much any color you want. Iíll confirm and get more info on that later. I am planning to provide the oil and coolant lines with my kit so you wont have to make them. If I can find suitable replacements I'll just let you guys take care of that. The oil pan is a sticking point that I have currently, It has to be tapped for the turbo drain but it needs to be off the car when doing it so you'll have to pull the pan. If the walls are too thin for just tapping then a bung will have to be welded on either I can provide the bung and you can get it welded or I can buy a couple of pans from the junkyard weld them up and send those to you, or idk something else?

We have had a long history of bad group buys on this website and I donít want to deal with that drama so, this isnít one. I am going to build a few kits and sell them to those who have already expressed interest. After that, you contact me, I build your kit, and ship it out, simple as that. However, if you want to contribute to the research and development of this project I wont object.

From now on I will keep any and all updates on the project posted right here on this thread. It will take some time for me to get this together so for now sit back, relax, and start saving your pennies!

Btw, Iíve got something for you first gen guys in the works, so you donít get lonely.

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Btw, Iíve got something for you first gen guys in the works, so you donít get lonely.
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This thread has me sexually aroused, perhaps someday I will be able to do this.
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This thread has me sexually aroused, perhaps someday I will be able to do this.
Bwahahahha - Captain Morgan

Chewie - I am in favor of doing the STS route to save all the space and fabrication issues in the engine bay. The only reason I am not in a loan for that is the fuel delivery bit with injectors/piggy-EMU stuff. I want part throttle driveability and really want a turnkey solution that STS can't offer for LH's right now.

Another reason I bring STS up is that they pump the return oil back to the engine and require an oil fitting installed. I had planned to tap the side of that oil fill elbow thingy on the right head instead of tapping the pan. But if you're doing gravity drain, a tap location down lower than the oil outlet is the only way to go. Maybe fab a y pipe at the dipstick tube base if it will flow enough?

Would I be sacrificing my A/C or are you going to move some things around?

You mention T3 turbo. How much are you going to investigate sizing such as looking at compressor maps, comp/turbine ratios and sizes? Is the T3 a close enough fit that we won't have any surging and choking or other application related issues? I think I used a turbo sizing app somewhere and it picked a GT25 or GT35 for our engine parameters, and 8 or so psi.

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The reason I dont want to do a remote turbo system is that I would need a provision for pumping the oil back to the engine. Since the turbo isnt above the pan at all times, gravity wont do it. Also remote mounts are for states with strict emissions, they put them after the cats for a reason, not really a bad thing but I still dont like my nice expensive turbo sitting that close to the ground. Besides, you pop the hood and it looks stock, anyone who wants to oogle your turbo has to get down on their hands and knees, or if you have skirts they are SOL.

I will be looking into all of the oil feed and return possibilites before I settle on one technique.

I dont have a car to work with yet, but from the few minutes of poking around under the 2gen hood. I'm fairly certain I can fit it without you loosing A/C. The turbo will either be mounted where the stock airbox is or where the pass side cat converter is located.

I mentioned the T3 because it is a good base for me to start my calculations on. There are a ton of trim options for the T3 from 2.2L four cylinders to 3.2L six cylinders and others. I will be up to my earballs in compressor maps, ratios, and sizings all winter, trust me I'll make sure to use the right one. btw, the GT35 seems awefully big. I know a couple guys running that turbo on 3.2L almost 600hp datsun engines. But as soon as I know which turbo is right, all of you will know too.

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Damn. I wish I knew more people over at Garrett. Maybe I could trade them some brake pads and stuff for a turbo.
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I'll keep my eye on this thread! Just have to decide if its the 1st or 2nd gen that gets tricked out! I could also help you out on the donor for fabrication for a day, If need be! I know your not all that far away.

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I really appreciate all the generous offers of your cars for me to work with, it will certainly help when that time comes.
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My trep is my daily driver so reliability and drivability are major factors, but I am definitely very interested in this.
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o00oo! I want!

I better start buying trannys soon
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I checked again and it was the 25 not 35 that was recommended

Hey - I know someone that works at Cummins Turbo Technologies

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i want in on this once everything is done
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