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post #1 of 16 (permalink) Old 01-10-2007, 11:56 AM Thread Starter
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Hawk Performance Ceramic Pads and HPS

Hi guys , I just bought a new set of 4 cross-drilled rotors and I'm looking to buy "Ceramic" pads to go with it. I found that Hawk makes a set (Front & Rear) for the Intrepid.
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http://www.hawkperformance.com/performance/ceramic.php

My question is , did someone of you have a set presently on his car or have any experience with these pads ? Did they do a good job on our cars ? Because I heard that they stopped like hell but they make a lot of noise (that weird bcz it ceramic). They are more expensive than others , so I want to be sure before I buy them.
Also how about the HPS pads ?

http://www.hawkperformance.com/performance/hps.php

Can you help me on this ?

Thanks in advance ,
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Try the Bendix CT-3 Ceramic pads. I had them with my iRotors Cross-Drilled and Slotted rotors, and they worked great.
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I cannot find the Bendix CT-3 here in Montreal. Also , I cannot find any part# and I don't know If they have cermaic pads for Intrepid's

Thanks anyways for your help ,
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I have the HPS and would not recommend them to anybody. They do stop better than the stock ones, but the constant noise, huge amount of dust, and fairly high price tag is jsut not worth it to me. Even though mine only have about 10k on them I will be replacing them with CT-3s in the spring.
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Use Bendix CT3 or Wagner ThermoQuiet pads. From what I hear, the CT3 is the better performing of the two, but at the time I REALLY needed a brake job and all I could find were the ThermoQuiet pads. Damn dealer sold me a car with almost no pad.... but I made him take off $200 for it.

I have not had the ability to test the two pads, but we put some ThermoQuiets on a friend's Hyundai Accent and that little POS stops like crazy now! And he doesn't have to clean his ghetto ass hub caps either. :p

With that said, I have been very satisfied with the ThermoQuiet pads. The stop well and there is practically no dust. The best part: they are almost silent!

As for Hawk, they are more geared toward racing and a race pad SUCKS for street use. As for their ceramic, it is neither a race pad not a good street pad, so I guess that means it sucks! :p

I guess you could get some shipped to you from the USA.... but expect a serious delay as our customs department has a serious case of "George Bush Induced Paranoia Syndrome".

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Are the Trep Police Cruisers the only ones with "Heavy Duty" Brakes?
I notice when I look up the Bendix CT-3's on Advance Autos site, it says for non heavy duty brakes, but the Titanium Metallics II have two sku's for non heavy, and heavy duty.
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probably to match the externally vented rotors that came on PHG and Special M's, and the Police Cruiser. I'll be doing the Bendix CT-3's on the front of my Special shortly. I was at Scott's (IS300M) house today and we came to the realization that my stock pads have run their course.
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The differene on the OE side with the pads between the "heavy duty" and the "regular" is really on the friction material. The design is the same. Our "heavy duty" is the MKD730FM (Fleet Metlok) which is a different friction material than the D730CT (CT-3). But the design is the same.

The pad number for the 2nd gen CT-3 pads is D730CT. I've asked our international sales person if he knows of a place in the Montreal area that sells the CT-3 pads. He is out traveling so I have not heard back from him yet (and I don't know of a place off the top of my head).

Let me make a general statement about my "experiences" (I say it like that as to not piss off the lawyers ) with the Thermoquiet. Yes, they are quiet...at first. But I have seen many instances where the piston clip cuts into the "shim" (basically an under layer of friction material). When this happens the pads start to make noise. It doesn't happen right away. It happens far enough into the life of the pad to where people won't bring their car back to the shop to complain about noise. I doubt if that happens on every single vehicle. Can't really test that. Can't say if it will happen on the Intrepid. IMO, the performance is so-so, at least compared to other pads out there.
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Is it that you can't get any Bendix products in Montreal or just the CT-3? I never asked for CT-3 pads but I bought Titanium Metallics I 3 years ago from Midas on Langelier street in St-Leonard. If you call them, asked for Allain: he's the owner and a very nice guy.

The only problem that I got was that I bought a lifelong warranty for the pads and when I changed them 1 year ago for replacement Titanium Metallics II, I got a pair of very dusty pads, which I find disturbing since my Titanium Metallics I made very little dust. I think that his supplier sent me some cheaper metallic pads than Titanium Metallics as replacement, although I was there when Alain received them and they were in Bendix Titanium Metallics II boxes... I'm a little pissed off but I don't think it's the shop's fault, probably the supplier who wanted to be cheap with his waranty. First pair of pads was excellent though.

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get the CT-3's, they come with a lifetime replacement warranty. I've had them before, and experienced nothing but quiet, improved braking.
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probably to match the externally vented rotors that came on PHG and Special M's, and the Police Cruiser. I'll be doing the Bendix CT-3's on the front of my Special shortly. I was at Scott's (IS300M) house today and we came to the realization that my stock pads have run their course.
Ehem...I think you forgot another package with outward vented rotors.
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Ehem...I think you forgot another package with outward vented rotors.
Yeah..... the R/T! (which is the SAME setup as the PHP 300M)
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So, Warlord 187, if I thought the ThermoQuiets were a nice upgrade from stock, are the CT3s the next step up for me?

I'm thinking about doing some rotors (Frozen Rotors) and of course, some improved pads.

My ONLY gripe about the ThermoQuiets is that they don't grab as much as I would like.

I am adding the PHP rotors. More cooling is good!
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Thanks for the info silvertrep I'm looking specifically for the CT-3 only , but I'm gonna call them tomorrow.
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From what I know about Canadian distribution, they either sell the premium pads or the mid-priced pads. Few sell both lines. Since the Titaniumetallic pads are considered premium, the place you bought them from should also carry the CT-3 pads. Let me know if you have any luck with them or not.

Interesting comments about the replacement pads. The Titaniumetallic II pads are actually less dusty (and more quiet) than the Titaniumetallic I pads. I have seen other brands of pads in our box (for various reasons) so it is possible you didn't get a true set of Titaniumetallic II pads.
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