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post #31 of 102 (permalink) Old 08-07-2017, 10:40 PM Thread Starter
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TGS I wish I would have seen your car instead of painting mine. I always wanted the model with the big engine but in those days I couldn't afforded. I would be on the road right now driving to your place with 4K in hand!!!!!.

any body have any advice regarding the leak behind the master cylinder booster?
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I doubt the area around the brake booster is the source of your water leak. Your first picture shows basically normal rust in that area right around where the booster rod comes into the cabin.
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The water seems to be confined to the drivers floor area; just the area where you would put your feet.
What about the material (thick vinyl matting) against the firewall? If you lift it up, is the underside wet?

Another place to check now that you have the carpet out:
The sheet metal screw that holds the plastic foot rest in place.
I had one car that was allowing water to come in past that screw.

Another thing and I just noticed this Sunday while I was washing my latest project (300m Special):
I removed the door seals from all four doors. Then I removed the headliner and the carpet.
The lady that owned the car was a heavy smoker and there were cigarette burns in the headliner!

Anyway, with the door seals out, water was running under the windshield molding onto the dash and onto the floor and then sucked up by that material on the firewall. That material acted like a sponge!

I mopped it up and put the front door seals back in and ran lots of water in, on and all around the windshield and front doors...no more leaking.
(I also propped up the firewall material, leaving it to dry out -- I might replace it anyway when I replace the dash. Dash has a giant crack in it)
Apparently, with the door seals in place, any water running under the windshield molding will follow the seal down and out rather than down and in.

You say, "Also I am worried about that water leak. Don't know where it is coming from. Put water with a hose for 10 minutes and nothing came in. It only happens when it rains a lot and hard." With the carpet out, put down some newspaper or something like that (absorbent and easy to tell when it gets wet) and run the hose over the windshield and door again, concentrating on the driver side.
if you don't get anything coming in, run the car up on some ramps (so it's tilted), open the hood and run the hose around the engine side of the firewall.
If you still don't get anything, spray the heck out of the bottom of the car.

Best of luck!!

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I hope you're not putting the new carpet without finding the source of the leak?

Should be easier to find if you leave it out.

Unless you have an issue around the Windshield the majority of water leaks in the LH have to do with the doors and door seals or something similar. Now that the carpet is out hit everything with a high pressure hose and i bet you find it.
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Stuff like this also works wonders if you suspect a specific area.

https://www.google.com/search?biw=13...13080097028586

Sprays on, dries up and looks like flour, liquid gets on it and you can easily spot a leak. Works better for finding leaks than it does for trying to find cracks in metal (as it was originally designed for using a penetrating dye first).
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post #36 of 102 (permalink) Old 08-15-2017, 04:09 PM Thread Starter
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Good afternoon to all.
Sorry for not responding to all. Been very busy here at home. Doing some home repairs and super busy at work. I am a helicopter instructor pilot here in the home of Army aviation. Teaching students and taking test myself for my annual evaluations.

I will try to work on the car this weekend and I will let you know the outcome. There is no way Im installing that brand new carpet after paying 700 dollars for it.
Thanks TGS, Rombo and bh1992 for all the advice.

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Hey guys, just finish working on the Trep. The heat is insane. I think I was putting more sweat inside the car than the water leak coming in. Finally found it. I mean the one in the interior. Also the area where it is coming from the outside. Its got to be where the rubber connection for the electrical wiring of the door comes in or the rubber cover for the metal part that allows the door to open a certain amount. My wife was putting water in the windshield and nothing was coming in. Then she put water in the are in the door where the rubber parts are and water immediately started coming in. How do I remove the rubber hose. or the 2 bolts. Also Im cleaning the door seal and putting a bead of silicon around the door before I put it back in the car just in case like TGS said he found on the 300M.

The first 2 pictures are the location where the water is coming in. One is right by where the door seal goes and there is a dirt stain in the photo. The other one is the biggest one, there was a piece of tape covering the hole. It is covered with some kind of foam , maybe for sound attenuation.Maybe the water is coming from there the rubber cover is and is traveling found the side and coming out of the holes.
The last picture is from some plastic pins holding the plastic cover to the fender. How do I remove this to see if there is also a hole where the water is coming in.

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Any time it rains really hard you get a pool under your feet.
Leo,
I read that to mean, a hard rain while the car is parked and when you go out to get in the car, after the rain, the carpet is soaked and there may even be a puddle.

I would re-install the driver door seal (without silicone for now).
Close the door and hose it down. This way you are sort of simulating a hard rain with everything in place that should keep the rain out.

Maybe put a ladder up next to the car and clamp the hose to the ladder and let it run and run and run....

((also, i replied to your message))

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Hello TGS,
I think the water gets in from where the electrical cable form the car gets in the door. It is a big rubber part. OR maybe the 2 crews that hold the metal part that limits door travel . I don't think its the seal. Also how do I remove those plastic clips that hold the plastic to the fender. I want to remove them but Im afraid to break them. IT is really hard for me to find parts for this car here in my town. The dodge dealer is not to friendly or I guess hey are not really interested in seeing me stuff!!!!!. I want to remove it to see if the hole that has the cable to open the hood is letting water coming in.

To answer one of your questions the firewall shield was wet. even after weeks of having the carpet and windows open it still wet. Just like you said is a sponge. I want it to replace it but I see is a complete part and can't be removed unless the dash comes out. I don't want to even think about that. Maybe I will use a heat gun to dry it out. I found some ants that I have to get rid off living under there. Very small ones.

I can tell you work a lot on these cars. How do you get the replacements parts for them, I barely find any in my area. I want to get the struts replaced but reading the lots of issues on the quick strut reviews Im afraid. I rather spend the money on MOPAR ones if I can find them.

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Those plastic pins are single use. They are not meant to be reused. They can be cut off with a pair of wire cutters or you can use something like a nail set and hammer to punch the center pin out. There is a pretty big rubber seal where the cable and the wire harness come out. I really don't think it would leak past that (I could be wrong). No, I don't think the door seal is the issue, either, but with the door seal removed (as you have it now) water can get in that shouldn't be getting in so, it's not a valid test. I would really encourage you to put the door seal back in, close the door and hose her down again.

When the firewall shield got wet I propped it up with a 2x4 on each side to let it air out. It didn't take long to dry out.
Yeah, taking out the dash is a pretty time consuming job!

There is a pretty good supply here in Indy at the two Pick-n-pull yards but I am beginning to see fewer and fewer cars at the one yard. Be sure to keep in mind, a lot of parts from the 300M, Concorde and Treps are interchangeable.
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Good morning TGS.
When the water was coming in the door seal was installed. My wife was putting water in the car all over. I told her to put water in the area of the front windshield to rule out front leaks. Then I told her to hose the side of the door where the electrical connections go to the water and water started rushing in. I removed the door seal after the fact. I need to remove the plastic fender to see if there is another way for water to come in, I read here somewhere that somebody mention the exit hole for the hood release. Just to follow your advice I installed the seal and put water on drivers side and water started to come in.

Also If I wanted to replace the interior door panels, Can I use concorde door panels?, They look better than the intrepid ones. Are they compatible? I have been looking for the concorde seats like you mentioned on eBay. They look nicer and the passenger ones are also electric. I found a set of 2003 300M door panels on Ebay and they say are not compatible with the intrepid. I have been searching for junkyards in my area and don't have many.
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I believe front door panels are interchangeable among all the LH badges (talking 2nd gen.), but rear door panels are different shape on the Intrepid - you'd have to chop off lower rear part of 300M or Concorde rear panel to fit Intrepid rear door - I think it's been done, but a bit of trouble - there's a thread on this forum somewhere (photos may not still be there).

The door pull cups are unique to each badge, so be sure to get the ones with the new panels. They all look *very* similar, but their shapes are enough different that you can't make them fit. Also, on a given car the pull cups on all 4 doors are not interchangeable among themselves on that same car.


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TGS - I think Chrysler states that the mushroom door panel clips are re-useable up to 3 times (I could be mis-remembering - I think it states it in the FSM). I think people re-use them over and over and over, though they may get loose and rattle after the 5th or so R&R.

There's a tool called a "panel popper" sold in the auto parts store - looks just like a weed fork (dandelion puller), but the working end is shaped to scoop under the head of the clip.

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Thanks PEVA for the info, so to clarify the 300M can be use in my intrepid, that means the screws on the side of the door align and the electrical harness will also?

2003 03 CHRYSLER 300M; Front INTERIOR Door Trim Panel, Right Pass, Black | eBay
this the link for the door panel I found. It is much nicer than my doors in the intrepid. Mine are really old and decrepit.

Also sorry about the question, but what is the door pull cup. The picture of the tool you sent I found one on advance auto parts. I used it to remove toehold carpet.

Thanks for the info in advance.
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If using front door panels other than an Intrepid in your car there will be a mismatch between the outer edges of the dash and the door panels in height. It's actually worse on one side than the other. Forget which side. The solution to that is change the dash also which is quite a chore.

The door pull cup is the section behind the interior handle you use to open the door.
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