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Putting together new computer. Recommendations?

Ok, I'm flirting with the idea of putting together a new computer system. Since we have some tech gurus here, I figured I would see what you people think.

First of all, I will use some stuff from my old system:
-CD-ROM (Kenwood 72X True-X with Zen Technology)
-Floppy Drive
-Soundcard (Soundblaster Live Value)
-CD-R/RW (Iomega ZipCD650) will eventually get a new and faster one
-Computer Case (Antec 250W - ATX)

So basically I'm looking at getting the following:
-Motherboard (I currently have an ABIT)
-Processor (currently a 450MHz P3)
-Video Card (currently a Nvidia TNT2 Ultra)
-RAM

So here are my questions:
-What type and brand of motherboard?
-What type of chipset on the motherboard?
-What type of processor and speed?
-DDR or RAMBUS for RAM?
-What type of video card?

I'm sure I will need to get new hard drives with ATA-100 (or is there something faster, IDE not SCSI)

Thanks in advance.

-chase
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Re: Putting together new computer. Recommendations?

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Ok, I'm flirting with the idea of putting together a new computer system. Since we have some tech gurus here, I figured I would see what you people think.

First of all, I will use some stuff from my old system:
-CD-ROM (Kenwood 72X True-X with Zen Technology)
-Floppy Drive
-Soundcard (Soundblaster Live Value)
-CD-R/RW (Iomega ZipCD650) will eventually get a new and faster one
-Computer Case (Antec 250W - ATX)

So basically I'm looking at getting the following:
-Motherboard (I currently have an ABIT)
-Processor (currently a 450MHz P3)
-Video Card (currently a Nvidia TNT2 Ultra)
-RAM

So here are my questions:
-What type and brand of motherboard?
-What type of chipset on the motherboard?
-What type of processor and speed?
-DDR or RAMBUS for RAM?
-What type of video card?

I'm sure I will need to get new hard drives with ATA-100 (or is there something faster, IDE not SCSI)

Thanks in advance.

-chase
Everything looks fine on what you want to keep with exception of the power supply. I'd definatley look at at least 350W, 250W isn't gonna cut it any more. For the processor, I'd get one as fast as you can afford. I'd go with AMD personally because time after time they out pace Intel's with supposedly faster clock speeds and AMD is the gamer's choice. (If you are into that kind of thing.)

Take the following links into consideration for the rest of your components:

Motherboards These are all great mobo's, I'd have a hard time picking one, but I would fall back to the AMD simply because time after time they prove to outperform Intel products with higher speed ratings. (Plus I have never had a problem with AMD in my life.)

Hard drive Might as well go with a big boy considering graphics, multimedia, etc etc. Plus, if you get a vid card with a TV tuner you have a cheap and very effective DVR (digital video recorder) TiVO (and similar) like device.

For RAM, I'd probably stick with DDR for now. Sure RAMBUS is faster, but the cost isn't justifiable right now. (IMHO)

Vid Card Sure its pricey, but ATI is the best in the game when it comes to an all in one card. With this one you get everything, excellent 2D/3D graphics, TV Tuner, digital video inputs, etc etc.

Oh, check out
Price Watch as well, I bet you can find all the stuff you want for cheap. Be sure to get some fans and all the other neccesary junk too.

Hope this helped.

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I'd go with AMD personally because time after time they out pace Intel's with supposedly faster clock speeds and AMD is the gamer's choice.
I would agree too. Despite all the bad things i'd heard about AMDs before i purchased mine I haven't had any problems with it. (1.4ghz Athlon currently overclocked to 1533mhz on an Epox 8KHA motherboard)

As for the ram I'd go with DDR too. I have pc2100 (266mhz) but they also have pc2700 (333mhz) now.

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hard drives with ATA-100 (or is there something faster
Correct me if i'm wrong, but i think they make 133mb/s hard drives now which would be a little improvement over an ATA/100
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Correct me if i'm wrong, but i think they make 133mb/s hard drives now which would be a little improvement over an ATA/100
Yup, I just saw the ATA/133 spec.

Thanks for your help to all. Please keep up the info/opinions.

So far (in my limited research) I'm looking at an AMD-XP 2000+ which is at 1.67GHz. The motherboard I'm looking at is the Abit KG7. There is also an Abit KG7-RAID, but I don't know anything about RAID. What the hell is RAID (other than bug spray)? I'm also looking at the Abit KX7-333.
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let me sum it up like this

if you dont like SCSI, you really don't want Raid....
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let me sum it up like this

if you dont like SCSI, you really don't want Raid....
Thanks. It's not that I'm against SCSI (I had a SCSI zip disk once ), it's just that I don't know a whole lot about them and they are way more expensive than IDE. I don't think I need SCSI drives anyways.
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stay away from western digital HDs. before today i woulda told you to buy one, but i had my second one roll a loaf in 2 months this morning. just don't get a quantum either, they are shit. ata/133 is also alive and kicking. just remember to get a 7200rpm drive for your OS and get a 5400 for storage, it MAKES a difference.

for CPU, AMD is the way to go, and Abit makes one hell of a board, worth the money in my opinion. PC2100 ram is looking good, so is a 400w power supply, at least a GeForce3 Ti200 card (GF4Ti would be sweet but $$)....plextor is the best burner on the market. spendy but worth it.

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stay away from western digital HDs. before today i woulda told you to buy one, but i had my second one roll a loaf in 2 months this morning. just don't get a quantum either, they are shit.
Actually, my C: drive is a Quantum and my D: drive is a Western Digital Cavier. I've had no problems with them. Now that I said that, they will both crash.

My current mobo is an Abit and I love it! That's another reason why I am leaning towards another Abit board.

Half the fun is researching this stuff.

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Never had problems with either Quantum(now Maxtor) or Western Digital, and SCSI is easy, better than ide for a whole slew of reasons-if you multitask heavily, and raid is pretty easy too.
ATA-133 is a misnomer, expect 60mb\sec on a REALLY good system by way of ATA-133 controllers(IDE can only address 1 drive at a time unlike SCSI)
Get AT LEAST a 400W supply, especially if you plan to overclock or run many peripherals.
For the price dont waste time on 5400 rpm drives, period.
Plextor IS the BEST!

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Toss that power supply. If your willing to spend $70-$80 bucks go with a Enermax 431W PS & you'll be done.

Motherboards, avoid Abit like the plague. The KG7 is the older model, I ran it along with the KR7. Their easy to kill & their not very stable. Most AMD based Via board don't run for shit with 2 DDR's in them. 1 or 3 is the rule of thumb. The best bet I've found & it's extremely stable is the MSI board. KT3 Ultra ARU. Very nice board.

Hard Drives, IBM well IBM is gone except for the notebook drives, WD wouldn't touch them, Maxtors have detection issues (yes even with their latest models) with newer motherboards. The drive I ended up using is the Seagate Baracudda IV, 20/40/60/80 GB not a single one has died yet, very quiet even under heavy access unlike the IBM's, they do run a little warm so be sure to have airflow across them.

Video Cards, any GeForce card will do (make sure it has a fan on it) or the ATI Radeon's BUT don't even TOUCH a Powered By ATI Radeon, they don't use the same drivers that the Built By ATI cards use & are rarely updated. Plus I had a bunch of stability issues with a Powered By ATI Radeon 8500 128MB, sent it back for another, same problem, sent it back for a Built By ATI & it works excellent. ATI cards tend to look better in games as well.

Ram PC2100 is fine unless you plan to overclock. Go with a major brand, Viking is trash, always here horror stories on that junk, but Corsair, Kingston, are good choices. OCZ is useless unless you plan to overclock. Don't buy the cheap stuff. PC2400, PC2700 just makes your ram usable for future processor upgrades.

CPU, forget the P4, pricy, really doesn't run nice unless you run RDRAM which is pricy. Go with an Athlon XP1800, price/performace it's still the best bang for the buck. If you want a efficent quiet cooling setup go with a Alpha PAL8045, yes you can kill somebody with it but it really does wonders drawing the heat off the CPU even with a slow speed 80mm fan.

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