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post #1 of 11 (permalink) Old 03-04-2006, 10:32 AM Thread Starter
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MS O/S - x64, Vista, or ...?

So I'm browsing through the MS site (and others) looking at info on the x64 O/S as I'm planning a dual-core chip for later this year. After looking at several things - the most important being drivers - I'm not sure I want to jump that way. Then I see that Vista is supposed to be out soon (on the shelf) and wonder if it will really USE the dual-core 64-bit chip I'm planning on - specifically an AMD 4400 or 4800.

So I guess my questions are this: Is Vista a 64-bit O/S that can take advantage of the new chip and, if so, should I wait for it or run x64 instead? Other options would be sticking with XP Pro or changing to Server 2003 (don't see why I would need that, though) ...


BTW - I know a lot of you recommend Linux but that's not really an option for my main O/S at this time - maybe my next system.

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i say just wait and get Vista, the drivers and stuff for it now are not that great but once it is out i am sure everyone will have decent drivers. i have used all of the OS's taht you mentioned, and am usiing an amd 4400+ right now, i personally right now like xp pro 32 bit version the most mainly because i feel that it runs the best overall with the drivers, but they are getting better with the 64 bit drivers, and the difference in speed is unnoticable between 64 and 32 bit, and there are like 3 programs that are actually in 64 bit. unless you want to just have a computer now, then id say get 32 bit now and just not pay for it, and buy vista in december or whenever it comes out, and amd is releasing a lot of new cpus and a new socket type in june :cruiser1:


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At work, our computers run on Dual Core AMD 4800 using XP 64. I am on it all day long. Here are the problems that I have with it. Older software or smaller companies haven't developed compatible drivers yet.

Even larger companies haven't developed 64 bit drivers. One prime example is that we run some heavy duty Canon color printers in production. Canon, which is one of the largest players in the digital imaging game, doesn't even have the Post-Script print drivers for XP 64. We have to resort to more generic print driver to print from our XP 64 machines. Sure it works, but the colors are off and random text appears bolded. If I want a clean copy, I have to use an older machine to print from.

We really haven't really recognized any benefit from the 64 bit OS so much so that we're thinking about wiping it out the machines and use an older version of Windows. But, since we're soo dang busy, I think we're just going to play the game and wait to see if Vista really is/uses 64 bit and hope that all other software/hardware companies hurry it up and develop them drivers.

As far as a recommendation for you, it's tough. Cause we all know how Microsoft is, Vista might have so many problems that you might be better off sticking with XP 64 since XP has already been thru the ringer over and over. But if Vista is different somehow than XP 64, drivers might not work the same way with Vista than with XP 64, therefore buying XP 64 might be a waste of money. Hard to say.
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well i know since the lastest build and used teh other builds of vista that you can use xp 64 drivers in it, and i also know that MS is makiing a 32 bit and a 64 bit version of vista. i would say get vista only because if you are gonna buy one, just buy the newest one. overall vista from the beta runs like a champ on my desktop but it is still a little buggy, my laptop visat ran lik eit was dying from ebola or something, to the point where i saw it useless and could not use my computer, i can see that vista is a lot more resource heavy than others have been, so i would say that it would depend on your system what to get. or you could just play it safe and stay with all 32 bit just from the fact that the speed dfference is just not realy there, the only thing id worry about is if you get 32 bit they may make games or some other thing in 64 bit only a year down teh line, id be mad if i PAID for software and then could not use it


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Thanks for the input, guys!

Since I'm gonna' build a new system I should be able to find all the drivers and I'll be printing through a shared printer attached to what will be my "old" 2100+ system (my current machine). That just leaves my 8x DVD burner that will migrate to the new box and a 100Gb HD that I use for storage. However, I am concerned about software with built-in drivers. As I understand it they won't run under x64 unless they're 64-bit also - is that true?!? That's my biggest concern.

The system I'm planning is an ASUS A8N32 mobo, a 4800 dual core AMD, at least 1Gb of matched Corsair RAM (maybe 2Gb), and probably 4x160 Gb SATA-300 WD's running under raid 0+1 (total 320Gb). I haven't decided on the video as yet. I'm leaning toward a 2x7800 GTX but $$$ may limit that to a single card.

I'm counting on AMD's new product line to bring the 4800 chips down in price ... ;)

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However, I am concerned about software with built-in drivers. As I understand it they won't run under x64 unless they're 64-bit also - is that true?!? That's my biggest concern.
I don't know if this applies to ALL programs that fall under what you said, BUT it does prove true on some of the programs that my company has been using. There are several programs that don't work on our new computers. They aren't your average programs though, more like specialized business software.

When I say specialized, I'm not talking about programs that were designed for us specifically, but more like industry-specific programs. When I have to run production reports, I have to switch over to the older box.

I am also having one hell of a time with font issues. I don't know if this is a XP 64 thing, or just a coincidence, but Corel's Font Navigator can't make fonts stick in XP 64. I have to literally use the Windows Font installer (under Control Panel) to install fonts if I want them installed correctly. If I have both the True Type and the Type 1 font installed of the same font, it causes conflicts in different ways in different programs. Again, I don't know if this an XP deal or a combination of things or what, but it sucks big time.

With that said, the computer runs like a charm. There's never any hesitation when I have multiple programs open with multiple large files open at the same time. Like you, our computers run with 2GB in RAM and have 512MB Video cards.
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i personaly think that you will be fine with 64 bit, i would just not pay for it unless it was vista, and no need in wasting money on an SLI dual 7800's, i just got the new ATI x1900XTX and it will keep up or beat them both in some cases, and if you been reading here enough youd know how i feel about Raptors, you will spend hella bucks on 4 of them at 290 bucks each when you can pay 125 and get a 300 gb Seagate with 16 meg cache SATAII and be damn near just as fast, more space almost same speed half the price


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I'm waiting for Vista 64 too.....for my laptop ;)



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Actually, I was looking at the Caviar drives (7200/SATA-300) - I've run Caviars for years w/no problems (160 Gb Caviar @ $95 ea). And even with a larger drive I still need TWO as I plan on running a min. of RAID 1. I may be paying slightly more (by buying double the HD space) but I also get the data protection.

Of course, I'll still have to BU my most sensitive data but most of my stuff will be good with RAID 1 - the sensitive stuff can go on my DVD-RW and get incremented once a week instead of daily. As it is now I feel compelled to BU a lot of stuff when I'm through working with the it - doesn't take that long to do but it's a constant PITA and I'm just tired of it. The thought has crossed my mind to use a 3x RAID 5 (slower) for the OS and work related files plus a single for games and other non-critical stuff.

BTW - Along with your comments and a little more research on my part I've pretty much decided on XP Pro SP2. I've been using that for the past 3 years (started as SP1) so I'm familiar with it and as someone pointed out there are few 64-bit programs out there, anyway ...

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i can see you using RAID 1 to some degree, IMO it is not that serious though, but i can see a point in using it, but RAID 5 is useless for a regular person, and you are right, it is SLOW, but whatever floats your boat, and my bad about raptors thing, i just hear so many people around me talking about them i just assumed that you were getting them without actually paying too close attention
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