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As some of you may know I'll be getting a new computer in the mail soon . My problem now is that I have MANY programs (90 folders in my programs!) and many games installed on my old machine. How the hell do I get these over to the new computer?

I found one process that says to clone the old HD with Norton Ghost, (or equivlent), copy it over to the new drive, then run a repair installation on the new computer to "reset xp".

Does this sound like a good idea? I know a fresh install is the best, but I keep my OS fairly well maintained, so I'm not to worried about that... I'm worried this technique will cause problems, (like slowdown, errors, ect.)

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I would just run a "crossover" cable. Its been a long while since I've done it and i forget the process but I'm sure someone else knows how to do it.
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um ya your gonna get problems, a old installation on windows is gonna work shitty on new hardware, I mean how different is your old machine from the new? transfering your older machines windows onto your new pc is not recommended. you should install a clean version on windows and simply reinstall all your games and save the savegames or whatever. You will be more pleased with the performance.

If I were you, I would just add your current hd into the new computer and your done. I am too lazy to reinstall everything but if its a new rig its always fun.

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Sorry guy, you can't do it that way.

Sorry, Ghost, or any Ghost like program is not going to work for you in this case. These programs work great when you are swapping your hard drive in your system, or moving to like hardware but now for upgrading to new hardware.

In a nutshell you will want to:
1) Install a fresh copy of your OS
2) Install your flavor of AV software
3) Run Windows Update, go ahead and upgrade to Microsoft Update while you are at it.
4) Install your applications from the source CD's/downloads/floppies etc..
5) Migrate your data, how you do this is up to you. You can use a network, USB key, cross-over cable, CD's, etc...

If you want more info, just drop me a PM.

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well... the ghost WILL work ive done it to my costom made computer. The only problem is that ur gonna have to re pogram anyway because of the hardware changes get me? Lots of things wont work. Waht will probably work is taking that hard drive and putting it in as a secondary drive in ur new com. than all u do is access it from my computer delete the windows folder so it wont promt you in the begining on what system u wanna boot. and thats it it. want a game? well look for it in the hardrive get a desktop shorcut and bang! and u save urself memory on ur new computer. thats what i did. I get all my games in my 120GB brive and my computer runs on 1 80 GB that i never pack up so it can stay nice and fresh. ; ) good luck homie.
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well... the ghost WILL work ive done it to my costom made computer. The only problem is that ur gonna have to re pogram anyway because of the hardware changes get me? Lots of things wont work. Waht will probably work is taking that hard drive and putting it in as a secondary drive in ur new com. than all u do is access it from my computer delete the windows folder so it wont promt you in the begining on what system u wanna boot. and thats it it. want a game? well look for it in the hardrive get a desktop shorcut and bang! and u save urself memory on ur new computer. thats what i did. I get all my games in my 120GB brive and my computer runs on 1 80 GB that i never pack up so it can stay nice and fresh. ; ) good luck homie.
taht way will work, but i personally would just reinstall everything, OS and all games and such, just saving the fave files, you will get teh best performance that way, i have done this many many times, at least 5 times a year, sometimes more
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taht way will work, but i personally would just reinstall everything, OS and all games and such, just saving the fave files, you will get teh best performance that way, i have done this many many times, at least 5 times a year, sometimes more

this ones also a better idea i guess ; )
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Yeah just save your personal files, everything else probably isnt worht it. Even if you save the game or w/e from program files thers still alot of hidden stuff that you wont find to transfer (i.e registry stuff) and the fact that its new hardware will require you to reintsall the program.
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As some of you may know I'll be getting a new computer in the mail soon . My problem now is that I have MANY programs (90 folders in my programs!) and many games installed on my old machine. How the hell do I get these over to the new computer?

I found one process that says to clone the old HD with Norton Ghost, (or equivlent), copy it over to the new drive, then run a repair installation on the new computer to "reset xp".

Does this sound like a good idea? I know a fresh install is the best, but I keep my OS fairly well maintained, so I'm not to worried about that... I'm worried this technique will cause problems, (like slowdown, errors, ect.)

Any thoughts apreciated!
I did this many times when upgrading my PC. If you do a repair installation of XP it completely reinstalls XP leaving only the settings and saved files from the old installation. When I put a new Motherboard/CPU in my PC I didn't want to have to lose all my files. As you know, a windows installation will only work with the hardware configuration you had when it was originally installed. The repair installation allowed me to reinstall windows around the new hardware without losing my files. I see where you guys are coming from but I've done this several times when upgrading and its been over a year since my last majot hardware change and I haven't had one problem yet.
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Oh man thank you mopar muscle!! I've been dreading the reinstalation of all my stuff after reading all these posts... After hearing you have done this I feel more inclined to at least try.

I figured there should be no problems, doing the repair install cleans up xp and configures it to run on the new hardware, while leaving the registry entries and folders/files of currently installed programs untouched. I have no programs that are hardware dependant, (that I know of), so I'll give this a go.


Can always start from scratch at a later time I guess. (I will one of these days anyway)

Thanks for all the input!
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its really not worth your time to do that dj, becuase it will be the SLOW OS that you remember from before, due to all the excess crap that will still be there even after an OS repair. your best bet is to just get it over with, put fresh OS, and then reinstall everything clean!
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its really not worth your time to do that dj, becuase it will be the SLOW OS that you remember from before, due to all the excess crap that will still be there even after an OS repair. your best bet is to just get it over with, put fresh OS, and then reinstall everything clean!

My thoughts exactly!

I get this question almost every time I sell a new PC. And then they complain "well the guy at Best Buy said it would work!" That's when I explain that it may work but your perfomance will not be optimal and there may be issues with copy protection. It might even crash due to driver problems.

It may "work", it might BSOD, who knows. I will tell you that it NEVER works RIGHT.

A fresh software installation is better than any hardware upgrade on a new PC in my opinion. The difference is phenominal, see it for yourself.
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Really depends on how FUBARed your current install is. I've actually had the same XP Pro install for, oh, 2 years and 3 motherboard/processor upgrades now, and a couple of hard drive Ghost jobs in there, too. Totally stable, no performance issues...

The key thing is to uninstall all of your major peripheral drivers (video, sound, motherboard chipset, network) and also delete all values in the HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE/SYSTEM/MountedDevices/ key folder if you're not reusing the same drive. Let me explain. Hehe.

Once upon a time, I was a very, very bored man with an Athlon XP 3000+ coupled to an nVidia nForce2-based motherboard. I was upgrading to a 64-bit system, and like you, DJ, I had a crapload of software I didn't want to have to sit down and reinstall. All I did was uninstall all the core peripheral drivers -- motherboard chipset, video, audio, etc... Basically, anything directly related to the PCI bus. It also helps to run an app like DriverCleanerPro ( http://www.drivercleaner.net ) from Safe Mode afterwards to get rid of any lingering files. I was still using the same video and sound cards on this run, so I didn't really bother; it bit me in the ass the first time I restarted and Windows recognized some of those remaining drivers before I'd completely uninstalled the rest of the crap.

Anywho, after all of this was done, I just installed the drive in the new system. XP gets f***ing pissed when it sees a hardware change of that magnitude, but it's a pretty robust OS. Kids, don't try this on Win98. You'll have to reactivate within 3 days if you have SP1 or later... If you're running a cracked version, you're probably in for some comedy -- depending on the crack, you can probably get away with just re-entering your confirmation number AFTER the second reboot.

After everything is up and running (click Cancel on any "New Hardware Found" windows), reinstall your drivers. If you really have been maintaining your OS well, you shouldn't notice any issues with it, e.g. slowdown, etc. The only thing I've seen on mine is a bit of flakiness in the Networking control panel, as I've used the same static IP on my box for every migration, and it doesn't appear to have removed any of the old network adapters from the registry. Nothing more than a, "Hey, this IP is assigned to this other adapter, which isn't physically in the system... Are you sure you want to use it?" message every time I tweak my TCP/IP settings. Meh.

As for what I said about the registry entries above... If you're Ghosting a new hard drive, do that right before you run Ghost. The reason is that Windows will try to enumerate the Ghosted drive with different drive letters. BIOS will try to boot to the drive, but once Windows takes over the boot process, it will go looking for drive C: and not quite find it. All your data will be there, but under the wrong drive letter. If you kill all those mounted device entries, on its first boot, it will automatically assign the drive as C: like it's supposed to. I learned this the hard way a couple of years ago. Hehe.

As for performance differences, none. I've been doing this since late 2003, and I haven't had a BSOD or any issues beyond the Network Control Panel warning message. I did discover that nVidia's release IDE drivers for the nForce2 platform suck donkey genitalia, resulting in a re-ghost to fix a half-corrupt hard drive... But that's another story. Usually performance issues will be a result of "registry bloat" -- uninstall your drivers, and you'll minimize a lot of it. BSODs would be a result of low-level junk like old motherboard drivers still floating around when the OS tries to detect the new system... Bad ju-ju.

Bottom line: it can and does work. You just need some patience, some basic knowledge of Regedit, and a set of cajones like a pair of cantaloupes. Good luck. (Are you still reading this? lol)
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yeah i still wopuld just reformat and reinstall, thats why i have everything backed up on dvds and server, i realy could not care less what happens to my windows machine, Linux is the one that i hate reinstalling just from the fact that i have to configure EVERYTHING, 15 minutes just to get a video other than command line, then hours of other customizing, i only have reinstalled once needless to say
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Well it shipped out of Vancouver 6:30pm Thursday so she should be in my sweaty litle palms soon! Just bought a BenQ FP91G+ 19" LCD ($230 CDN) to go with it, man what a nice upgrade from my no-name CRT!

I'm still torn over what to do... I'll probley end up reinstalling, I've done it before and might as well start fresh with a new computer (espically when jumping to one with 5-6 years newer technology!)

One question, this new comp will have SATA2 Hard drives (I asked for them to be set up RAID 0) I seem to remember hearing something about problems installing windows on SATA2 drives... do I need drivers or something? Or is it just stick the XP disk in and let her rip??

edit:
I've downloaded every driver for this mobo on the gigabyte webpage and one is:
motherboard_driver_sata_gb_sata2raid_ich8(r).exe

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