Originally Posted by 340duster
Oh jesus christ, here we go. what the fuck does a 2jz that makes 7 lb-ft of torque have to do with a NASCAR series. By the way, the truck series is NOT that old, and the domestic companies come out with new trucks on average about every 5 years. I think you have some toyota envy here, so I think you have alot of nerve talking Toyota up like you are when they haven't shown any kind of the dominance everyone said they would.
i'm not even talking about the 2jz. fuck the supra. i'm talking about f1.
and don't give me that, oh, he's an f1 fan, blah blah, because i watch nascar cup, busch and trucks as much as i watch f1 and anything of european heart. they're completely different but the point still is, domestics only make power with displacement for the most part. as far as i'm concerned, they build engines with the craftsmanship and quality of 5 year olds. let's not beat around the bush here. they're crap. the general quality is just crap. even all the japanese imports built in north america are flawed because it's the people that build them. all they care about is getting a paycheque and if it's a friday and they want to take off, they will rush through it. they just don't care, and that's just typical of north americans in general and you know it; i know you do. don't try to tell me you work with people that take the time to do everything perfect because i've worked in many places and it's rotten.
i know a few people that work in dealerships and they always have complaints about the total disregard for quality. they compare the exact same model car that used to be built in japan to the ones they build here now and the quality is so far less it's disgusting.
moving along.. the facts are that toyota doesn't have 50 years of race-bred over-head valve v8 engine design experience. despite the truck series not being that old, it's nearly the same thing (powerplant technology wise). what bugs the hell outta me is, nascar keeps restricting the shit out of toyota. if you didn't know or didn't mention for your own convenience, when the tundra was being developed for nascar, toyota's engine was putting out 60hp more than the domestic ones and nascar wouldn't let them use it. they're just jerking them around so they can't complete. now you know why they're down on power and not competing the way people thought.. it's not that they can't make the power; it's because nascar is fucking them in the ass.
this isn't against you as a person, so please don't take offense. i just think what you said was a pile of horse muffins. i'd also like to point out that quality these days for domestics is all diamler-chrysler. if i were to buy a new car that had to be domestic, it would be a chrysler or a division there-of. ford and gm makes me want to vomit.