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I don't know about you guys but I THOROUGHLY enjoyed the finish of yesterdays race. Anytime you can see Jr. and Jimmie Johnson taken out of a good finish....its a pretty good day.

Will the Dodges EVER win a plate race? The only time I can recall they have was Ward's victory at Daytona 02....
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Yeah, good race yesterday.

Kenseth -6, Martin -10 in points behind the leader.
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I don't know about you guys but I THOROUGHLY enjoyed the finish of yesterdays race. Anytime you can see Jr. and Jimmie Johnson taken out of a good finish....its a pretty good day.
No...I didn't enjoy it in the least. JJ is a friend of mine, so I gotta back him. I don't even like Jr that much, but I still hate to see a race end like that for him. I'm just glad Vickers will be gone from the Hendrick team after this season. Talk about a STUPID move.... I was pretty surprised JJ and Jr kept their cool like they did. Shows a lot of class. I woulda probably gone Robbie Gordon or Tony Stewart on him (Vickers)...

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Yea.......Jr and JJ definitely did a great job of keeping their composure. The main reason for that is that they can't afford to lose 25 points now. I'm pretty sure that Vickers didn't mean to wreck him.....but I guess he doesn't have the talent to win a race cleanly. (anybody remember the Nextel Open last year?)
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I don't think it was a matter of winning it cleanly, since I agree that he didn;t do it on purpose, but there's a smart way and a stupid way to win a race. We all know which one he chose. The part that was really irritating was how he actually said that JJ swerved out of Jr.'s way and hit him (Vickers)!!! What an idiot. Vickers would have had to have been on the other side of JJ for that to happen. Oh well....it's over. Let's see who punts who in the coming weeks.
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I don't think it was a matter of winning it cleanly, since I agree that he didn;t do it on purpose, but there's a smart way and a stupid way to win a race. We all know which one he chose. The part that was really irritating was how he actually said that JJ swerved out of Jr.'s way and hit him (Vickers)!!! What an idiot. Vickers would have had to have been on the other side of JJ for that to happen. Oh well....it's over. Let's see who punts who in the coming weeks.
It was 3 way fault. JJ did a gutsy(foolish) move to dive down that fast. JR tried to cut him off. Vickers hit JJ instead of backing off the gas to keep a top 5 finish. Thats a good win for Vickers. If any of the three switched positions the result would of been the same. It was good to see Vickers get a win before he left.
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Looked to me like JJ dove down, and as Vickers started to follow him, JJ came back up and into him.
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Meh.....the only person not guilty in this (God it hates me to say this) was Jimmie. He had the momentum, Jr tried to block him and Jimmie had to swerve to get out his way. Vickers ignored the brake pedal. My other problem with the finish was that EVERYONE drove like ________(enter slang for cat). Everyone just played follow the leader for all the last laps except the last one.
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I still gotta place this one squarely on Vickers. He was on the radio with JJ the whole time, and was aware of when JJ was going to make the move. If he would have gone at the same time JJ did (like he should have), the race would have been over without incident...JJ would most likely have won, and Vickers could have possibly had a #2 finish with the speed they had from hanging back before that run. With as much of a run as those two had, I think Jr. would have been mildly content to finish #2 or #3.

As far as the follow the leader part, I don't agree 100%. There was a reason no one wanted to break out of line. It was demonstrated all day long that the one or even two that broke out of line got shuffled back 15-20 spots in a matter of seconds. Not worth the risk of no one helping you when you're that close to the end of the race and you've got a decent finish already in the bag. I think it was pretty smart. Meh...it doesn't make for very exciting racing, but Vickers took care of that anyway...
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Plate races suck, because of that total reliance on the draft. I'll take a skill based, horsepower driven track like Bristol or Martinsville over the superspeedways anytime.
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^^^^^^ Well said. I would almost say that they should just rid of the plate tracks. So much is invested by these teams for just FOUR races out of 36. When the tracks were built nobody thought the cars would be capable of reaching 230+ (What Rusty did a couple of years ago in an unplate car). If the tracks are so dangerous why keep racing on them? Hopefully the COT will solve this problem.
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Not to mention the losses to the heroes of the sport because of these tracks. I've seenlives lost or nearly lost too many times at these tracks, and would get just as soon watch these guys wreck at dover aor Darlington and walk away, as see another Earnhardt..or Bonnet..or Allison..Roper..Orr..Petty..

of all the lives lost in the sport, look how many were at the superspeedways, with Daytona being the deadliest.

1. Dale Earnhardt, February 18, 2001 (Daytona 500) 49 yrs old
2. Tony Roper, October 13, 2000 (Texas Motor Speedway) 35 yrs old
3. Kenny Irwin, July 7, 2000 (Louden, New Hampshire) 30 yrs old
4. Adam Petty, May 12, 2000 (Louden, New Hampshire) 19 yrs old
5. John Nemechek, March 21, 1997, Homestead, Florida killed during a NASCAR Truck Series event 27 yrs old
6. Neil Bonnett, February 11, 1994, Daytona Beach killed during practice 47 years old
7. Rodney Orr, February 14, 1994, Daytona Beach - killed during practice
8. Davey Allison, July 12, 1993, Helicopter crash at Talladega 32 yrs old
9. Alan Kulwicki, April 1, 1993, Airplane crash on way to Food City 500 38 yrs old
10. Clifford Allison, 1992, Brooklyn, Michigan killed during practice for Busch Series event 27 yrs old
11. JD McDuffie, August 1991, Watkins Glen, NY
12. Grant Adcox, 1989, Hampton, GA
13. Bruce Jacobi, injured February, 1983 died February 4, 1987, Twin 125 qualifying
14. Terry Schoonover, November 1984, Atlanta, GA
15. Ricky Knotts, February 14, 1980, Daytona, Twin 125 qualifying
16. Tiny Lund, August 10, 1975, Talladega
17. Ricky Knott, February 1972, Daytona Beach, FL
18. Friday Hassler, February 17, 1972, Daytona killed qualifying for Twin 125-mile race
19. Talmadge "Tab" Prince, February 1970, Daytona Beach, FL killed qualifying for Twin 125-mile race
20. Billy Drew Wade, January 5, 1965, Dayton (tire test)
21. Fireball Roberts, July 1964, Charlotte, NC (accident was in May)
22. Harold Habering, February 21, 1964, Daytona (during practice)
23. Joe Weatherly, January 1964, Riverside, CA
24. Marshall Teague, February 11, 1959, Daytona (during practice)
25. Billy Myers, April 12, 1958, Bowman-Gray Stadium, Winston-Salem, NC
26. Bobby Myers, September 2, 1957, Darlington SC
27. Thomas Priddy, June 1956, LeHi, Alaska
28. Clink McHugh, June 1956, LeHi, Alaska
29. John McVitty, April 1956, Langhorne, PA
30. Lou Figaro, 1954, N. Wilksboro, NC
31. Frank Arford, June 1955, Langhorne, PA
32. Larry Mann, September, 1954, Langhorne, PA
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^^^^^^ Well said. I would almost say that they should just rid of the plate tracks. So much is invested by these teams for just FOUR races out of 36. When the tracks were built nobody thought the cars would be capable of reaching 230+ (What Rusty did a couple of years ago in an unplate car). If the tracks are so dangerous why keep racing on them? Hopefully the COT will solve this problem.
Ahhh Dodge did hit 243 mph in late 68. With a Charger Daytona on a test track. Before they even started racing them in Winston Cup. I say let them race flat out. If you don't have the balls stay home, and race indy cars.
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Did anyone notice how smooth that new track surface was??!! Nice!
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The track was very impressive. During the prerace they showed how they had to anchor the machines because of the steep banking. I thought it would've been hilarious if the poor thing had toppled over.

Spook I think the problem with the cars unplate at the track is safety, not only for the drivers but the fans. I don't even think a HANS device would save a driver if they crash at those speeds. That impact would likely send debris into the stands risking injury to the fans. We could put faith in the drivers for not wrecking....but they cant save themselves from blown tires, slipping in oil.....or more importantly, each other.


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