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Camaro won't be positioned as a muscle car

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Mark LaNeve: Camaro won't be positioned as a muscle car



The hits just keep on coming for fans of the Chevy Camaro. Just yesterday, we quoted Bob Lutz as suggesting that the Camaro could get a four-cylinder engine option. Now we hear that Mark LaNeve, VP of sales and marketing for GM North America, says that, "We won't position it as a muscle car," speaking again of the 2010 Camaro. Sure, you could spend hours debating the terms "muscle car" and "pony car", but we're pretty sure that very few ever thought of the Camaro as a fuel-efficient option. But, that's exactly how GM will position it. "The mainstream positioning will be fuel economy, design and a V-6," says LaNeve.

The truth seems to be that GM just cannot afford to sell a couple hundred thousand Camaros a year with V8 engines rated at around 20 miles per gallon combined. But, before V8-lovers get too upset, remember that it is the fuel efficient engine options which make the fire-breathing V8 an option at all. Without mainstream options like either a direct-injected V6 or even a small turbocharged 4, there is simply no way that Chevrolet could ever reintroduce the Camaro at all.



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It is a muscle car without question.
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In the great words of Johnny Mac "YOU CAN'T BE SERIOUS!!!" Honestly, if they aren't going to build the Camaro to what a Camaro should be, don't call it a Camaro. Look what GM did to the Nova. Look what Ford did to the T-Bird. Its like a sports figure who is idolized by millions coming out of retirement only to fall flat on their face. Don't bring back the Camaro name if its not going to be a CAMARO. Even as a Mustang man myself, I do have admiration and respect for automotive history to hope they don't tear apart another legendary nameplate.
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I believe even the mustang has or had a 4 cylinder optional motor I know they did at one point i doubt that is still around. The Camaro has always had a 6 cylinder option from the very start of it. They had one with the 250 Inline six so I don't see how that is even a debate the turbo charged 4 cylinder well thats another story. But remember they will have to fall under new MPG Average also. GM, Ford, and Chrysler are going to be in big trouble if they all don't start doing something. They won't be able to offer a V8 at all if the 4 and 6 Cylinder engines don't pick up huge amounts of MPG.
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All muscle cars have been branded with a 4 banger once or twice.Even a few got shoved down to a V6. Like in the 80s with the Charger, it had a 4 cylinder and the Mustang had a 4. Heck vette is switching to a 4clyn soon.
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All muscle cars have been branded with a 4 banger once or twice.Even a few got shoved down to a V6. Like in the 80s with the Charger, it had a 4 cylinder and the Mustang had a 4. Heck vette is switching to a 4clyn soon.
Good point.
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All muscle cars have been branded with a 4 banger once or twice.Even a few got shoved down to a V6. Like in the 80s with the Charger, it had a 4 cylinder and the Mustang had a 4. Heck vette is switching to a 4clyn soon.
Was just thinking of an '80's Charger



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Forgot about the 80's Charger. nasty. Yes, Mustangs have had 2.3L 4's, 200 Straight 6's, 3.8L V-6's and a host of different V-8's. Even from the early get go of the Mustang, they had I6 and V-8's. I don't recall the early Camaros whether they offered anything other than V-8's or not. I do know that the Camaro (and Firebird) was the GM answer to the Mustang. Ford designed the Mustang originally with a host of different options to make it whatever kind of car the buyer wanted.

I guess what I am unsure of is whether or not they will offer the new Camaro with a performance package so it would be what people think of when they think of a Camaro. I'm sure everyone understands what I mean. I would hate to see a castrated version of the Camaro just as we once seen the Charger become.
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Was just thinking of an '80's Charger
They actually weren't that bad. In turbo form they had a close ratio 5 speed, only 2 doors (more than I can say for todays "Chargers") and an incredible weight to HP ratio. I have taken on my fair share of V-8 muscle cars and did well. Hell I make more HP than a 79 PontiacTransAM with 301 . Better trap speed than a Dodge 360 Super Coupe and 5.0 Mustangs are tasty in stock trim.
Ford even showed that there very own SVT package turbo 4 mustang was quicker than the 5.0 .Sure these cars make look and sound feeble in comparison to classic 400 cid mopars and big block Gm's but they kept the flame alive for muscle car enthusiests.
If you follow the blood line of Mopar the turbo'ed dodges such as the Charger evolved into the 225Hp Daytona IROC and the 3rd gen daytona became a transition in the development of the the ESX which became our beloved Intrepid. Dodge/Chrysler seems to tie development well together through history even when they appear to be off on a tangent.
I guess what I'm trying to say is I'll drive a 4cyl. Challenger or Camaro with a huge Turbo or supercharger topping it off. Sure it won't have that classic rumble but at least we have the heritage!!!
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GM 4 banger echo tech engines 2.0 0r 2.2 are pretty stout, especially when turbo charged. I would never buy a camaro without a V8 but a turbo charged echo tech would provide a great driving experience for those who want economy and it would be less expensive to purchase and insure.
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Mid 80's comaros did indeed have a 4 cyl did they not!

Cafe rating would need a 4 cly to average out the v-8 they don't have to sell that many nor will they!

A mds 6 cyl would be a better way to go!

Oh wait let it fall flat! ....sell more challengers!
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In my mind I think supercharged and turbo 6 cylinder powertrains might be just what Detroit needs to consider:icon_neut
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Mid 80's comaros did indeed have a 4 cyl did they not!
Yes, I believe it was the 2.5L "Iron Duke" 4 banger. Can't say I ever saw one under the hood of one though. Have seen a few 2.8L V-6's with the trademark thrown rod at the back of the block.

Yeah, the mid 80's SVO's could compete with the Corvettes of that era. The later 5.0's, like the '92 I had was very torquey. Not sure if the SVO turbos of around '84-'86 would have stood up to the later 5.0's or not. The mid 80's V-8's Ford was using were very lackluster, enough that a 4 banger was a better choice, and even that wasn't good. Ford had I think a 255 CI for a few of those years which was total garbage, couldn't give one away. I blew a few of those 2.3 4 bangers. The 200 straight (3.3L) was a decent motor, used much over the years practically bullet proof lower end and good compromise between torque and fuel economy. Unfortunately they insisted on keeping the intake manifold as a cast part of the cylinder head, so you couldn't easily change it at all. And with a one barrel carb, whereas the 2.3 had a 2 barrel, the 200 could've been better than it was. Pretty easy motor to work on though. Even the 5.0's were tried and tested motors, decendant of the 302, same motor really.
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In my mind I think supercharged and turbo 6 cylinder powertrains might be just what Detroit needs to consider:icon_neut
Buick Gran National? Anyone? Hell of a powerplant. Easily could change the boost on them by swapping the pulley.
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MMMMMMMMMm.....Turbo 6!!!!
These cars were nasty!!!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0lzqI7wvZvU check this for proof!!!
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