Chrysler may alter Sebring, Avenger - DodgeIntrepid.Net Forums - Dodge Intrepid, Concorde, 300m and Eagle Vision chat
 
LinkBack Thread Tools Rate Thread Display Modes
post #1 of 9 (permalink) Old 07-18-2008, 09:49 PM Thread Starter
Intrepid Pro
 
Join Date: Jun 2001
Location: Catonsville, Md.
Posts: 3,652
Feedback: 0 / 0%
                     
Chrysler may alter Sebring, Avenger

From the Detroit Insider:

Friday, July 18, 2008
Chrysler may alter Sebring, Avenger

Automaker considers scrapping high-end models, adding features to mid-level versions.
Detroit News staff and wire reports

Chrysler LLC may eliminate the highest trim levels of its Dodge Avenger and Chrysler Sebring sedans while adding more luxury amenities to the mid-level models of those vehicles.

The revisions, part of a strategy called "Fight Back," mean less-expensive models would have standard features such as heated seats that are now offered only in costlier versions, according to a document sent to parts suppliers, Bloomberg News reported on Thursday.

The strategy may help sales of those sedans, two of Chrysler's more fuel-efficient cars.

The Auburn Hills automaker's truck-heavy line up has caused sales to slump even worse than its rivals. Chrysler sales are down 22 percent so far this year, while the industry is off 10 percent, according to Autodata Corp.
Consumers have largely sidestepped Chrysler's lineup for smaller, more fuel efficient vehicles.

Other automakers' midsized sedans, including the Chevrolet Malibu, Ford Fusion and Honda Accord, have posted sales growth of 10 percent or more this year. Sales of Chrysler's Sebring are down 30 percent this year, partially due to fewer sales to rental car fleets, while the Avenger has gained just 2 percent.

The two trim levels proposed to be eliminated, the Avenger R/T and Sebring Limited, are Chrysler's only midsized sedans to offer a 3.5 liter, V-6 engine, the largest, least-efficient powertrains offered in the sedans. With that V-6 engine, standard in the Avenger R/T, the sedans achieve 26 miles per gallon on the highway. With the 4-cylinder engine, the cars average 30 mpg on the highway.

Adding more features to lower trim levels, which come standard with a 4-cylinder engine, could entice gas conscious customers to buy Chrysler's cars, said Mike Wall, automotive analyst with CSM Worldwide.

"Given where fuel prices are at, I'm not sure that people are following the old progression that the higher the trim-level, the bigger the engine," he said. "(Chrysler) needs to hit what the customer wants, and that may be a 4-cylinder engine with leather seats and a navigation system."

Wall said simplifying the number of options and trim levels will cut costs and manufacturing complexity for Chrysler.

Chrysler spokesman Rick Deneau would not verify the "Fight Back" plan but did say "we will always look for ways to improve our product based on customer feedback."

Many car buyers are looking for nicer options on smaller vehicles, said Bill Golling, president of Golling Chrysler Jeep Dodge in Bloomfield Hills.
"We've been criticized for the quality of our interiors ... putting a premium interior in a mid-range car could go a long way to fixing that perception," he said. "If Chrysler is going to offer a better interior, at a better price, that sounds like nice formula to me."

Parts suppliers had until Thursday to tell Chrysler if it was feasible to adjust their production to meet the proposed plan, according to the document sent to suppliers.

Those documents said the Avenger R/T and the Sebring Limited would be eliminated and the 2009 mid-range Sebring Touring and Avenger SXT models would carry dual-exhaust systems, 18-inch aluminum wheels, and leather, heated and power seats as standard equipment. The base models would not change.

The document recommends prices of $21,750 for the SXT Avenger with the added features, or a 9.9 percent increase, and $21,670 for the Sebring Touring, a 3.4 percent boost. The 2008 Avenger SXT starts at $19,795 and the Sebring Touring begins at $20,865, according to Edmunds.com.

The document also shows a plan to improve the interior of its Dodge Journey small sport-utility vehicle. It says Chrysler intends to add extra storage areas, more comfortable seats, steering-wheel audio controls and a softer instrument panel. The Journey went on sale this spring.
moparman is offline  
Sponsored Links
Advertisement
 
post #2 of 9 (permalink) Old 07-18-2008, 09:59 PM
Intrepid Modder
 
michigan_intrepd's Avatar
 
Join Date: Nov 2006
Location: Michigan
Posts: 397
Feedback: 1 / 100%
                     
I hope they keep the 6-cylinder as an option still... there are still some of us out here that expect a car to perform, not just sip gasoline and putter along.
michigan_intrepd is offline  
post #3 of 9 (permalink) Old 07-19-2008, 02:09 PM
Intrepid Pro
 
Join Date: Aug 2001
Location: Hugo . Minnesota
Posts: 3,207
Feedback: 0 / 0%
                     
They need to AX the shitty 4 Speed Auto. Look at this months Motor Trend. The Dodge Avenger SXT was last place. Still has Drum rear brakes (the longest stopping distant). Super cheap interior. No power, loud Motor, worst MPG. Their words ( Poor economy makes this a frightful drive. Gaps between last and first don't get any wider than this). Gee and they wounder why sales are down????? The Avenger looks good outside. But inside screams cheap car. And the Sebring looks bad all over. They tried to make it, look like. A 4 door Crossfire sedan and failed big time. Power on most of the 4 cylinder 5 speed auto cars ( Camry, Accord, Sonanta,Optima, ect..) . Would easy keep pace with any 2.7 or 3.2 Intrepid or LH cars. Most ran mid 16 sec 1/4 mile runs. My 2.4 5 speed auto Sonata Limited. Has no problems hitting 80+ mph on the end of a hwy ramp.

Mine 2012 Black Challenger SXT. Hers 2005 Red V-6 Mustang, the Son 1997 Red Plymouth Breeze
SPOOK R/T is offline  
Sponsored Links
Advertisement
 
post #4 of 9 (permalink) Old 07-23-2008, 11:37 PM
Intrepid Pro
 
Join Date: Mar 2002
Location: illinois
Posts: 2,488
Feedback: 0 / 0%
                     
If the double clutch transmission was only available, now.

So take the CVT connect it to the 2.4.
Now here is the thing, program it to not operate as a CVT unless you are in sport mode. Have the default programming be a 9 speed automatic in drive.

The 2.7 has held up only so-so. Look at the '09 Kia Optima 2.7 190hp 184ft-lbs

Can the 2.7 be coupled to the 4 cylinder cvt (6:1 in lieu of the 5.4 of the V6 cvt)
MikeW is offline  
post #5 of 9 (permalink) Old 07-24-2008, 12:12 AM
Intrepid Pro
 
Join Date: Mar 2002
Location: illinois
Posts: 2,488
Feedback: 0 / 0%
                     
Just finished reading that MT online.

GM needs the 2.0t (250hp) & 6t45 as an intermediate engine. Push 3.6 V6 to 300hp.

5 speed automatics just don't cut it.

"It's not fair to say this about just this car, but the I-4 Accord definitely struggled going uphill. I had the opportunity to pass a slow-moving truck and couldn't get up enough steam to do it,"

I wonder what speed they were driving, because without zinging out 2nd gear, the Accord is going to be slow.
Just imagine: uphill, at altitude, AC (okay everyone knows that the AC cuts out when you floor it), full car, headwind, loaded up [old] air filter, pulling 3rd gear 65mph (and no downshift to 2nd) all the way to 110 (if adventurous)

Toyota: 2.7 I4 & 6 speed auto, if not 2.5 & 3.0 V6 to replace both the 2.4 I4 & 3.5 V6.

Sonata: 6 speed auto
Optima: 6 speed auto and 2.7 V6 standard !

Altima: 2.5 HO from Sentra SE-R, low end torque? who cares, you have a CVT. [email protected]

Passat: 2.0t with regular fuel calibration 175hp 175ft-lbs. And offer a premium fuel calibration 225hp 225ft-lbs, and dump the torque-y 3.6 VR6, we want the Euro 296hp VR6 (and double clutch across the board)

9/11, still an inside job
MikeW is offline  
post #6 of 9 (permalink) Old 07-24-2008, 04:00 PM
Intrepid Pro
 
Join Date: Aug 2001
Location: Hugo . Minnesota
Posts: 3,207
Feedback: 0 / 0%
                     
All 2009 Sonata's have a 5 speed Auto's or 5 speed Manuals. No 6 speeds are offered. No go on the 2.4 CVT either. Test drive a 2.4 CVT Caliber. A gut less wonder and poor mpg. A F$#%king 2.2L 97 hp 3 speed auto, 1988 K-car feels faster and gets better mpg too.
SPOOK R/T is offline  
post #7 of 9 (permalink) Old 07-24-2008, 07:46 PM Thread Starter
Intrepid Pro
 
Join Date: Jun 2001
Location: Catonsville, Md.
Posts: 3,652
Feedback: 0 / 0%
                     
Well they really missed the boat on the Sebring. At least the Avenger looks pretty good. The interior I just don't understand. They knew about the complaints on some of their interior designs and in the hope of saving a few bucks really lowered the quality of materials etc. They make our 'Treps look highline.

As for the trannies I too just don't get it. They seem to be shooting themselves over and over again. A 6 speed auto wolud help both performance and mpg wise. I think the performance thing may back off a bit though with gas prices and all.

The Avenger with the 3.5 isn't too bad a ride. Still don't understand why it doesn't perform better though. I know it's not as aero as our 'Treps but one would think it would move out better.
moparman is offline  
post #8 of 9 (permalink) Old 07-24-2008, 11:32 PM
Intrepid Pro
 
Join Date: Mar 2002
Location: illinois
Posts: 2,488
Feedback: 0 / 0%
                     
No, I was putting out a wish list.

Just using the same axle ratio as the Altima 2.5 CVT in the Avenger/Sebring with the 2.4, it would be way faster than the 4 speed automatic.
The engine would hit 6K before 35mph, and hold 173hp from there on (when using proper CVT programming, none of this half assing that Nissan does, waiting until 60mph for full power)
MikeW is offline  
post #9 of 9 (permalink) Old 08-21-2008, 12:35 PM
Intrepid Pro
 
dakotaquadsport's Avatar
 
Join Date: Oct 2003
Posts: 4,994
Feedback: 0 / 0%
                     
Quote:
Originally Posted by SPOOK R/T View Post
All 2009 Sonata's have a 5 speed Auto's or 5 speed Manuals. No 6 speeds are offered. No go on the 2.4 CVT either. Test drive a 2.4 CVT Caliber. A gut less wonder and poor mpg. A F$#%king 2.2L 97 hp 3 speed auto, 1988 K-car feels faster and gets better mpg too.
Doubtful that an 88 K car would be faster. Not to mention that it's not burdened with 5 star crash test ratings, and airbags in every corner.
dakotaquadsport is offline  
Sponsored Links
Advertisement
 
Reply

Quick Reply
Message:
Options

Register Now



In order to be able to post messages on the DodgeIntrepid.Net Forums - Dodge Intrepid, Concorde, 300m and Eagle Vision chat forums, you must first register.
Please enter your desired user name, your email address and other required details in the form below.

Member names may only be composed of alpha-numeric characters. (A-Z and 0-9)

!!ATTENTION ADVERTISERS!! If you intend on advertising anything on this forum, whatsoever, you are required to first contact us here . Additionaly, we do NOT allow BUSINESS NAMES unless you are an Authorized Vendor. If you own a business, and want to do sales on this site via posting or private message, you will need to follow the rules. Shops, Stores, Distributors, Group Buys without being authorized will see your account terminated.

User Name:
Password
Please enter a password for your user account. Note that passwords are case-sensitive.

Password:


Confirm Password:
Email Address
Please enter a valid email address for yourself.

Email Address:
OR

Log-in










Thread Tools
Show Printable Version Show Printable Version
Email this Page Email this Page
Display Modes Rate This Thread
Linear Mode Linear Mode
Rate This Thread:



Posting Rules  
You may post new threads
You may post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is On
Trackbacks are On
Pingbacks are On
Refbacks are On

 
For the best viewing experience please update your browser to Google Chrome