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The Obama administration will unveil national tailpipe emissions standards and mileage requirements Tuesday, which will force automakers to dramatically boost the efficiency of vehicles by 2016 to a fleet-wide average of 35.5 miles per gallon, but also give them a single national standard.

The program will cost automakers $1,300 per vehicle, a senior administration official said — a move that could cost automakers $13 billion to $20 billion annually based on total auto sales. That’s $600 ahead of the prior planned fuel efficiency increases.

Under a compromise, California and 13 other states’ efforts to impose a 30 percent reduction in tailpipe emissions are to be essentially adopted by the Obama administration and extended to the rest of the country. The federal government will set mileage standards that are consistent with those emissions requirements — 39 mpg by 2016 for cars and 30 mpg for light trucks.

Administration officials said the new requirements would save 1.8 billion barrels of oil and eliminate 900 million metric tons of greenhouse gases — equivalent to taking 177 million cars and trucks off the roads.

The move will force automakers to average 35.5 mpg overall by 2016 — four years ahead of a congressional deadline and require the companies to boost efficiency by an average of 5 percent per year. It is the first-ever U.S. regulation of tailpipe emissions, rather than simply setting fuel efficiency standards.

But Congress is planning to offer automakers billions more to help them meet the requirements. A revised 942-page version of a climate change bill released late Monday doubles to $50 billion a program to offer low-cost retooling loans to automakers and parts producers to help produce more fuel-efficient models.

The announcement is a major victory for California, though the state won’t get to run the program it has fought to impose since 2002.

It will also allow manufacturers to apply for government assistance for producing plug-in hybrids, and seek money to buy the expensive batteries that would be the heart of such vehicles. The bill creates new programs to aid electric vehicle production.

GM President and CEO Fritz Henderson and UAW President Ron Gettelfinger are among the auto officials who will be on hand Tuesday, along with Ford Motor Co CEO Alan Mulally and Daimler AG CEO Dieter Zetsche, for President Barack Obama’s Rose Garden announcement.

“GM is fully committed to this new approach,” Henderson said. “As the President has previously said, all stakeholders must come together and act with a common purpose and sense of urgency to address the nation’s energy and environmental priorities.”

James Lentz, president of Toyota Motor Sales, USA, Inc., said the Japanese automaker had long sought a coordinated standard for fuel economy and greenhouse gas emissions. “The big winner is customers,” Lentz said. “A unified national program ensures American consumers will have the choice of vehicles they want and need, as well as the fuel efficiency and low emissions they expect, without the potential confusion of multiple standards.”

Ford also praised the announcement.

California and many other states have long sought to impose their own tailpipe emissions standards, but were stymied by the Bush administration, which refused to grant them a waiver to do so under the Clean Air Act. Automakers fought in court for years to block the standards and lobbied government officials to stop them. The administration won’t immediately act on California’s waiver request, so it is unclear what will happen to the state’s initiative.

The Obama regulation, which is backed by major automakers, will order the Environmental Protection Agency and National Highway Traffic Safety Administration to work together to issue a joint regulation setting the new tailpipe emissions limits and mileage standards by next year

In addition to top officials from Detroit’s Big Three automakers, Gov. Jennifer Granholm and California Gov. Arnold Schwarzenegger, are expected to attend Tuesday’s announcement. Automakers will drop their lawsuits as part of the deal.

Officials said NHTSA and the EPA will work together to jointly issue regulations to ensure that the tailpipe emissions and fuel economy regulations are harmonized. Automakers will also be able to push for credits toward meeting tailpipe emissions requirements — as they currently have for fuel economy standards. The two agencies will also use NHTSA’s “footprint,” or attribute-based system, which considers a vehicle’s size, to set emissions requirements — something California’s rules didn’t include.

California officials declared victory.

“The Obama administration has brought together the federal government, the state of California, and the auto industry behind new national automobile emissions standards that follow California’s lead,” said Sen. Barbara Boxer, D-Calif., chairwoman of the Senate Environment and Public Works committee. “This is good news for all of us who have fought long and hard to reduce global warming pollution, create clean energy jobs, and reduce our dangerous dependence on foreign oil.”

Automakers get more flexibility to meet the yearly numbers — and more leeway in the early years of compliance. Most importantly, this deal appears to prevent California and other states from setting higher state standards in the future.

The Obama administration has been reviewing California’s request for three months. But the administration has been sympathetic to the concerns raised by automakers that two sets of standards would cause problems.

The deal may finally end a long-running dispute between California and Michigan.

Automakers have said state-by-state regulations would cost them tens of billions of dollars and fought California’s efforts for years — losing in three federal courts.

The new regulations take effect with the 2012 model year. In April, the Obama administration hiked the 2011 model year fuel efficiency standards to a fleet-wide average of 27.3 mpg.

In April 2007, the Supreme Court granted the EPA sweeping authority to regulate tailpipe emissions as a danger to human health. The EPA has proposed declaring tailpipe emissions a threat to human health and held a public hearing Monday on the issue in Virginia.

Greenhouse gas emissions from cars, light trucks and other vehicles in 2006 accounted for nearly 24 percent of U.S. emissions, with 94 percent of those emissions carbon dioxide, according to the EPA. U.S. autos accounted for 4.3 percent of worldwide emissions.



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i wonder how this will all turn out .
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Hope you all like little cars. Doesn't matter much to me I'll never buy a new car or truck anyways.
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time to start stocking up on intrepids...
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[QUOTE=Nheuer;1496146]Hope you all like little cars. Doesn't matter much to me I'll never buy a new car or truck anyways.[/QUOTE
Not really my 2009 Sonata Limited is rated as a full size interior. And i am getting 30.2 Mpg City/Hwy. And i have a lead foot (75 to 85mph) on the hwy. Its just as fast as 3.2 intrepid and faster than a 2.7 intrepid. And its a 4 banger 2.4 175 hp 168 tq 5 speed auto. 16.2 1/4 mile and top speed of 134 mph. Only 5 mph slower than a Intrepid R/T and 4 mph slower than 300M. But in a 6 or 7 speed tranny and lower final gear ratio. It would hit 35 mpg no problem. If i take it easy i can get 32+ mpg city/hwy no problem. And that is with bigger, heavier, wider Ford Bullit wheels and sticker Pirrill N-Zero tires. Give 7 more years of R and D. And it can happen with out going to tin can size cars with no performance or handling.

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Say goodbye to trucks. At least trucks with nutsacks.
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I have noticed, a lot of current "full sized" sedans aren't very big on the inside....
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well most cars dont need to be as big as they are. i dontknow about u guys but i am constently seeing thousands of cars driving to work with 1 person in them .
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Shit. I can't stand econo-boxes. Better stock up on LH's and Chargers! Gotta make them last for the rest of my life!
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Nonsense, they will still be around, what do you think executives will drive? Big cars of course. They will just cost more. The little cars will be for the masses. Trucks will always be around, just cost you more.
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Nonsense, they will still be around, what do you think executives will drive? Big cars of course. They will just cost more. The little cars will be for the masses. Trucks will always be around, just cost you more.
The Big Executive car Obama wants for the future:
Kia Soul - Kia Motors America

The only affordable "green footprint" transportation for the future Obama masses:
Keds Green Label Canvas Sneakers - Organic Cotton, Recycled Rubber & Non-Toxic Dyes

Best plan of action:
Keep the Treps running forever!!!!

The reality is my big 4 door Intrepid rides 5 people in comfort and SAFETY and still gets 30mpg on the highway....Going to a crackerbox to get 5 or 6 more mpg for $1300.00 +++ additional cost is not going to make any real positive difference in your wallet or the planet!!..When you factor in your extra insurance costs and maintenance and all the other factors on a new small "green " car you will pay a lot more overall!!..........................

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The Big Executive car Obama wants for the future:
Kia Soul - Kia Motors America

The only affordable "green footprint" transportation for the future Obama masses:
Keds Green Label Canvas Sneakers - Organic Cotton, Recycled Rubber & Non-Toxic Dyes

Best plan of action:
Keep the Treps running forever!!!!

The reality is my big 4 door Intrepid rides 5 people in comfort and SAFETY and still gets 30mpg on the highway....Going to a crackerbox to get 5 or 6 more mpg for $1300.00 +++ additional cost is not going to make any real positive difference in your wallet or the planet!!..When you factor in your extra insurance costs and maintenance and all the other factors on a new small "green " car you will pay a lot more overall!!..........................
send your thank you to Al Gore.
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Yes we should all send a "Thank You" to AL.......:mad::::
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This is much ado about nothing.
They already use the uncorrected numbers when calculating fleet mileage.
The Dodge intrepid 2.7 way back in 1998 got something like 30mpg. That helped to raise Chrysler because cars were only 'required' to get 27.5mpg.

Hell the toyota venza 2.7 is faster than an Intrepid 2.7. and it probably gets better mileage.
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