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NHTSA wants Black Boxes

I knew this was coming.......

From the Detroit Free Press:

Black boxes for vehicles urged

Safety agency calls for data recorders
August 4, 2004


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WASHINGTON -- The National Transportation Safety Board on Tuesday recommended for the first time that the federal government require passenger vehicles to come equipped with black boxes that record speed, seat belt use, braking and other factors.


The safety board's recommendation arose from its investigation into the July 16, 2003, farmers market crash in Santa Monica, Calif. Safety investigators were unable to interview the elderly driver who stepped on the gas pedal instead of the brake, plowing into the open-air market, killing 10 and injuring 63.


The board concluded investigators could have gained a better scientific understanding of the driver's behavior had his 1992 Buick LeSabre been outfitted with an event data recorder.


"We believe very strongly that vehicles should have a black box," said NTSB chairman Ellen Engleman Conners.


But in June, the National Highway Traffic Safety Administration, which has the authority to enforce such a recommendation, said automakers are adding black boxes fast enough on their own. About 15 percent of vehicles now on the road have the data recorders, and NHTSA says between 65 percent and 90 percent of 2004 vehicles have some sort of recording ability.


NHTSA proposed that recorders collect a standard set of data to help crash investigators. By September 2008, the agency wants recorders to collect up to 42 data elements, including the time it takes for air bags to deploy.


The safety board said Tuesday that NHTSA's proposal doesn't go far enough.


Based on its investigation of the Santa Monica crash, the NTSB concluded that "standards governing voluntary, rather than mandatory, installation of event data recorders in light-duty vehicles will not result in obtaining the maximum highway safety benefits from this technology."


Engleman Conners said the safety board doesn't have the ability to investigate each of the 43,000 traffic accident deaths that happen every year. Black boxes would give investigators the ability to collect data on every fatal accident, she said.


"The basic question I have is 'Why not?' " Engleman Conners said.


The driver, George Russell Weller, now 87, had just mailed a letter on July 16, 2003, when his Buick LeSabre struck the rear of another vehicle and accelerated 1,000 feet through the street market, a Santa Monica police statement said. U.S. officials said 9,000 people visit the market between 9 a.m. and 2 p.m. The car was stopped by objects beneath it, and witnesses reported seeing no brake lights, police said.
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They can put whatever montoring devices they want on cars. I'll just rip the motherfucker out.
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next they will want techno for this and that - i drive my trep when at times i want to be alone and chill out- not have some government assholes subject me to personnel harassment & etc.!!!
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Worst part is, they usually don't need a warrant to read it.

It's MY car. They have no right to record my driving, then use it against me if I get in an accident.
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I agree...., but if they must do it, than it should only record the last few seconds. If it's any worse than that than I'm ripping the fucker out. Of course I'm sure it will be tied into the computer so if it doesn't see the box than the car won't start. I'm sure there will be bypass units and if not, I will be buying used cars from than on.
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if somethin this fucked up ever did become standard I'm almost willing to bet my life that 2 months later there are ways to override it listed on the net. Don't get me wrong I don't think it's right at all, I'm just thinkin that many ppl will find ways to get around it.
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washington know it alls think they know best- f'm - just another way to control the masses- another form of liberty breaching- the COMMIES are still alive and well!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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This is exactly why this country still needs the ACLU. They may be extreme in some cases, but sometimes you gotta fight against the silly case that then will be used as the precedent to allow more and more invasions into our lives.
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I don't always agree with the ACLU, but the EFF is a great group.

http://www.eff.org/

EFF right now is helping out the people who are being sued for the "this land is your land" flash movie.
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That will be great. Now the asses who are driving like an idiot will not get an insurance settlement after an accident(maybe they will even get a few tickets). This will help keep rates down. Next step is to download the data to the police so you will get tickets mailed to you. If you don't download in 30 days your car won't start. No more speed traps needed, police resources put were thay are needed, increased money from trafic fines.
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That will be great. Now the asses who are driving like an idiot will not get an insurance settlement after an accident(maybe they will even get a few tickets). This will help keep rates down. Next step is to download the data to the police so you will get tickets mailed to you. If you don't download in 30 days your car won't start. No more speed traps needed, police resources put were thay are needed, increased money from trafic fines.
So with your 3.5L rocket you just drive around like an old lady obeying the traffic laws... yeah right!
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Looks like il be driving my 1970 chevelle more and and more and anyother non-computer car i can find .

As always to the folks that come up with these right stealing ideas in washington ........
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If I'm not mistaken the Corvette already has something that records the last few seconds before a crash, usually triggered when you slam on the brakes, or hit the gas. Don't quote me on that though, I sorta remember seeing that on TV. In any case with or without the black box they'll get your ass if you caused the accident, so with these they find out faster.
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So with your 3.5L rocket you just drive around like an old lady obeying the traffic laws... yeah right!
Well maybe one two KM's over the speed limit if I am am feelling really dangerous. I once even used my cellphone on the road without pulling over.
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I vaguely remember reading this story about some guy who had some kind of black box in his Trans Am. One afternoon or night, he got into a real bad car wreck. The passengers in the car he slammed into both died. He, himself, wasn't really that hurt. He swore up and down that it wasn't his fault. The family of the victims wanted something done. In the checking of the car's computer, the police determined that he was recklessly driving (they said he crashed at speeds in excess of 110mph) and he was ultimately at fault. He was sent to prison for manslaughter. The other side of this story is that he was suing GM b/c the black box was being used against him.
A very controversial subject...
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