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First Drive of the ME 412

This week's Autoweek (Sept. 6 issue) has an ME 412 on the cover with a quick drive test.

They said it was slightly de-tuned and they did a 0-60 in 2.92 seconds.

Also said they think that Chrylser is understating the times / power like they did on the SRT-4, 300C and Magnum R/T.

A four page article with lots of good stuff.
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We need some other numbers (0-100, 1/4 mile, etc) to judge that car.

When a car gets to that level of power (Enzo, MacLaren, Murceilago, Saleen S7, Carrara GT, etc.), the 0-60mph time is pretty much meaningless. It all depends on traction and not really power.

It's a really sweet car though. Too bad their future drivers are unlikely to know or appreciate anything much about them. (as with most other exotic owners)
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We need some other numbers (0-100, 1/4 mile, etc) to judge that car.

When a car gets to that level of power (Enzo, MacLaren, Murceilago, Saleen S7, Carrara GT, etc.), the 0-60mph time is pretty much meaningless. It all depends on traction and not really power.

It's a really sweet car though. Too bad their future drivers are unlikely to know or appreciate anything much about them. (as with most other exotic owners)
im sorry, but 2.9 to 60 is amazing for a street car, no matter how bad its traction is....im sure 0-100 in about 6 seconds is not far off
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In Chrysler's own tests, conducted on a 12,000-ft. long runway at an abandoned military airbase (Wurtsmith AFB) at Oscoda, Michigan, the car ran 0-60 mph in 2.9 seconds, to 100 mph in 6.2 seconds (faster than most cars get to 60 mph) and ran a 10.6 second quarter-mile at 136 mph.

Also found in the thread that was mentioned above. This is the online article:

http://forums.autoweek.com/thread.js...10130&tstart=0
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That seems rather quick to me. Especially since it was slightly de-tuned.
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im sorry, but 2.9 to 60 is amazing for a street car, no matter how bad its traction is....im sure 0-100 in about 6 seconds is not far off
That's not what I meant. I didn't say it was unimpressive.

What I'm trying to say is that, at 600 - 1000 hp level, the 0-60 times are not really that different and cannot be used to judge the POWER of the car.

Example: MacLaren F1 beats F50 in 0-60, but the F50 toasted the F1 during the 0-100 mph acceleration. An F50 can even beat an Enzo 0-100 mph, but doesn't mean it has more power.

If you look at normal cars, the 0-60 times are more spread out, better representing their power: A Corolla takes 9.5 seconds (no matter how good traction is, or how good gearing is, it can't do 7.0 seconds), while an Altima takes 6.5 seconds, therefore the Altima is a lot faster.

But then loot at the super cars, they're all jammed around the 3 seconds range: F1: 3.4s; S7: 3.3s; Murceilage: 3.6s; Enzo: 3.1s; Carrera GT: 3.3s;

The numers are so close that they're pointless. At first glance, you'd think that a Formula 1 at 2.8s 0-60 is pretty much tied to an Enzo. But then you look at the 0-160 times, SHIT! The Formula takes only 6.6 seconds to reach 160 mph, but the Enzo takes like what? 16 seconds?

Super cars should be tested doing a 60 - 150 mph roll to better represent their engine power.
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It's a really sweet car though. Too bad their future drivers are unlikely to know or appreciate anything much about them. (as with most other exotic owners)
And I'm sure you know enough about them to appreciate owning one...
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It was tested going 0-100 and that took 6.2 seconds on the prototype.
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A lot of people who own cars like this were young and dreamt of them and knew their stats....the second you get one how would you feel if some kid said that you don't appreciate it??

Bottom line, memorization isn't appreciation.

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What's this "appreciation" point you're trying to make?

What I was saying is that look at cars like the Enzo, a lot of the owners are millionairs looking for a car as an investment. They but it, store it in a garage with minimum mileage, then make a huge amount of money at some auction years afterwards. As with the current MacLaren F1 s on the market. Look at Missy Eliot, all she could say about her Murceilago is that it has "cool doors" and "nice sunroof" about her Ferrari. I wonder what her lap time at Laguna Seca is ...

How many of these owners are capable of driving an Enzo on the limit?

WTF do you know about them anyway?
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