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post #16 of 61 (permalink) Old 05-27-2006, 02:18 AM
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The prixs are nice. My uncle had almost the exact same car. Very close to my R/T in power but its amazing how much better they are off the line. My uncles would smoke the tires for 100 feet or so easily without having to hold the brakes or anything, man I was jealous!!!
I test drove some GT's.......I couldn't even get the wheels to spin. I found the R/T had a ton more power?

......plus it was a ton cheaper on insurance ;)



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Hey, it's the arch rivals!

So, how do you like the 3800? It's probably one of the best V6 engines GM ever made. Smooth, reliable and plenty of torque. The tranny that goes with it is also rock solid.

Hey, just curious, how does it compare to the Intrepid? In particular, what's the handling like? I haven't driven the Grand Prix but I have driven a Regal, which rides on the same platform and needless to say I liked my Intrepid more.

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One thing .......She shoulda got a 2door GTP....nice car none the less tho

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C'mon, a 4-door GT's not bad at all for Grams!
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The only thing I like better on the 3.8 vs the 3.2 that I had in my trep was the mpg. It did achieve on avg like 2-4 mpg better than my trep on my 1000 mile trips on the highway.

I don't agree that the 3.8 has a lot of torque. With the same tires Yokohama Avid Tourings 225/60/16 on both my Trep and Bonneville with the 3.8, my Trep could easily break them loose while the '03 Bonneville won't even chirp even brake torquing.

Also, like I've said many times before, the power output of the 3.8 couldn't match up to my 3.2 on the inclines. One the same exact hills, the 3.2 Trep would easily stay in overdrive and power up those inclines while the 3.8 would have to come out of overdrive in order to muster up the hills, sometimes even drop down to 3rd (all this in cruise control going the same speed of course).

The raw power of the 3.8 isn't as good as the 3.2 let alone the 3.5 (2nd gen). The shining point, the mpg.
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Don't forget, the N/A 3800 makes less power than the 3.2L. Makes about the same as a 2.7L. It's the 3800 S/C that makes over 240 HP (I think it's actually 260).

The 3800 is definately a rock-solid engine. I'm not sure what transmission was put into the GT's, but if it's the 4T60E-HD (GTP), that thing can handle a nice turbocharger system (including I/C) with room to spare. If I remember correctly, the 4T60-E can only handle 290 torque (so if I ever turbocharge my 3100, which won't happen, I'd have to be careful, or swap in an HD heavey duty transmission). BTW, besides leather, she doesn't have all options. The cubby on the left side of the steering wheel tells me that she doesn't have a heads-up display (which might have been an option for GTP's, never looked into it) and the cubby in front of the gear selecter says heated seats were out of the question as well... oh well! Lol. Also, she has a manual temperature control instead of digital, which I want badly. And she has an analog DIC like mine (the picture of the car above the vents) instead of digital... a digital one would be the same thing as the OTIS and EVIC in LH's.

As for the stereo... mmmmm.... forbidden 7-band EQ... hehe sorry. Your sure the CD changer is in the dash? 'Cause Pontiac never did that... which is one thing I miss in the trep. The changer has to be in the glove box or mounted inside the trunk.

Sorry if I'm nitpicking... I just got back from a 12 hour shift behind a register... from open to close on a Sunday.

By the way, pray she never asks you to clean her car, specifically the wheels. Those crosslaces are not only a bitch to clean, but you can cut yourself if you're not careful. Almost everybody over at clubgp.com HATES crosslaces.

Grand Prix links:
http://www.clubgp.com
http://www.pfyc.com <--- parts for your car.com, also has things for other cars, and is the shop for grandprix.net
http://www.grandprix.net
http://www.zzperformance.com

Also, if you look around clubgp.com, look at the regional sections and you'll see the regional branches of CGP, which will have their own websites and forums. Just be careful, some of the people there ARE asses on clubgp.com when they are asked simple questions, but a lot will answer you without trouble (such as myself, I'm rknapp over there, btw).


/grandprix novel.... sorry hehe. I saw "Grand Prix" in your sig and got VERY interested lmao.

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i was waiting for you to post man

i dunno what to say, haha, i dont know much about these cars at all so it doesnt surprise me im wrong about the all options thing, i didnt even know they offered a digital temp control or any of that shit, i just said what my grandfather told me when we bought the car: "we got it with everything you could except leather" I guess he was wrong though...

as for the crosslaces, yeah, they are a bitch to clean (did them yesterday) but i love them anyway, i think they look sweeeet on the car

so i'll admit i never actually checked to see the changer, but thats just what my gramp told me, and of course now i go down and look and sure enough theres no changer, its just a single CD player, which is a let down for me

i dunno, for all you guys asking how i like the 3800: i like it, its actually very peppy, despite what padre says about it being the equiv of a 2.7, its quite peppy and i can get it to easily squeal the tires with the trac on (which i know, is no real measure of power, a lot of cars can squeal the tires if you do it right)

Hardwareguy: I will get back to you on handling... theres one road in particular that i like to use as my gauge of handling, and i havent taken it on that road yet... but i will soon enough and i will most certainly get back to you on it, so far i like the way it handles, the sporty suspension hits bumps a bit rough, but it does corner well so far

in comparison to my ES's suspension, mine is significantly cushier, and i still think my car handles like its on rails the large majority of the time, so im gonna say that so far they are about equal, until i get to really see and take the GT on that road i mentioned

I am beginning to feel how Rob said i would though, despite the fact that I think the car looks sweet, its just not as comfortable inside as mine, plus even though the GT has the dual exhaust that sounds sweet under idle and WOT, my ES's stock single exhaust sounds better to me under WOT, plus soon i will have duals!!!
I do still wish my car had a sunroof though...

besides...

My Intrepid is a DODGE, the Prix is a GM

...and its MOPAR OR NO CAR for me!!!

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You have no idea how much I miss my Intrepid's leather seats. I drove my dad's Infiniti to my uncles house on saturday, and I didn't want to get out of the car LOL. I take back what I said about the transmission, they might have equipped the later years (97-03) with 4T65E, not 4T60E, but no matter.

If you REALLY want to see that GT perform on a road course, wait till your mom ain't lookin' and sneak a set of Buick Strut Tower Braces under the hood and in the trunk. The trunk installs in 10 minutes, and ZZP sells brackets for the front. Once you do that, it will put the ES to shame (hides under a rock from the Mopar nuts) lol. These cars aren't cab-forward like the LH's, so the first thing I noticed when I popped my hood for the first time was that I had exposed strut towers lmao.

And you're absolutely right about the tire-squeeling being a bad judge of power. A friend of mine from school has a 1995 Civic, 1.8L 5-speed. He can get the tires to squeel, and he has 17" wheels. When I get my 3100 to sing around a corner, the tires make an irish banshee feel out of practice... it's all in the bald tires hehe.

Yeah 3800's are still peppy. I'm not going to say she tells the truth, but when my sister had her 3800 1997 Regal LS, she said she beat a BMW. If it was a stock 3-series then I can believe it, but otherwise... lol.
To explain why the 3800 out performs the 2.7, and not the 3.2, just remember that horsepower sells cars, and torque wins races. The 2.7 makes the same power as the 3800 (200 HP, using 2003 model year for both engines). However, the 3800 makes an average of 35 more torque, at 225 ft-lbs versus the 190 ft-lbs of the 2.7 (ring any bells, you 3.2L guys?). Even my weak engine makes a little bit more torque than a 2.7 (195 ft-lbs). GM's V6's, even the smaller 60* pushrods are torquey little bastards... mines fun on backyard twisties When you take the GT out, the only thing you need to be concerned with is the body roll of a 3600 lb sedan. Other than that... have at it!

I also rechecked the GTP... 240 HP and 280 ft-lbs

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so, it failed inspection yesterday...
the check engine light was on...

so i dunno wtf is happening now, my grandfather insisted it was the locking gas cap he had put on there, but the code reader supposedly read something else and so its got a big R on the sticker
it goes in on monday for them to check it out...
hopefully its nothing serious, because my dads already bitching at me because i "thought it was a good car and its just another piece of shit GM and all we are gonna have is problems with it"
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Gas cap wouldn't be a surprise. Our 1998 Tahoe has had gas cap problems since we bought it new Xmas '97, and it's been replaced three times. Sets off a code now and then. You wouldn't happen to know what kind of code it's throwing, would you? I have a scanner manual handy that might help. Your dad sounds like my dad... something doesn't work right for him (regardless of his understanding of the device, which he usually doesn't understand) and it's everyone elses fault. Stubborn-ass german. *sigh*

One thing it might be is a malfunction of the vent valve solenoid... which is a problem I had last year. It happens a lot when the valve gets clogged with dirt/sand/road grime etc. Mine turned out to be just a frayed wire or something that forced the PCM or smog system or whatever to shut the solenoid down and trip the light. The repair cost a lot more than it should have because Good Year fucked up my security system when they tried to fix it (Pass-Key 3 got in their way) and I had to take it to the stealership.


^ That's just a guess though... could be anything. A friend of mine had fuel troubles in her Crapalier, but those went away without repair. If you lived closer to me, I could scan it with my OBD-II scanner, but alas, MA is over there.

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No self diagnostics on GM??
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None that I know of. Chrysler is the only manufacturer that I know of who has a key dance (if anyone holds information that says otherwise, please come forward, as I have no experience outside Buick, Pontiac, Chevrolet, GMC, and Dodge).
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Looks nice! We rented one like that a few years ago. It was a nice, roomy car.

As for the 3800 V6, that is *THE* best V6 GM has ever made, and ever will make. All iron, pushrods, indestructible. Just like the Chrysler 3.3/3.8 V6 engines. Rock solid reliable.

The 4T60-E transmission, however, can be a real pain in the butt. My friend had a 1994 Lesabre Custom that went through four of them. The car had 184K on it. Another incident was in my friends' mom's 1993 Lesabre, which went through three at 217K. The engine ran perfect though!
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Except this car does not have the 4T60-E. It has the 4T65-E, which is an improvement over the 4T60-E. Don't ask me how. To date, I haven't seen any complaints over this tranny, nor have I seen mileage reportings involving second or third transmissions for cars over 150,000 miles. Still, it is recognized that the wise-man doesn't push his luck with these trannies. The big thing is that these tranny's can't handle a lot of torque. The base "E" can handle 290 lbs-ft of torque, so for the supercharged GTP's, they have a heavy duty tranny (4T60-E HD) to take on the challenge. It's recommended to upgrade to that tranny (or at least get the upgraded passenger axle, HD differential, and HD differential cover) if you plan on running a boosted application from a non-HD 4T65-E.

On a side note: GM has come out with a new transmission fluid (forget the name... something along the lines of "DEX-**** VI") for their new 6-speed auto's. Supposedly this new fluid elongates transmission life, and boosts transmission performance, so I predict that GM tranny woes will gradually lighten (but not go away).

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well, it did get fixed...
they replaced some cable or something from the EVAP system...
goes back in for inspection soon
the engine light isnt on anymore so hopefully no problems now
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