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post #1 of 18 (permalink) Old 01-28-2004, 11:05 PM Thread Starter
 
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Greetings and Salutations !!!

I am a "New Member" and have lots of questions.

I have purchased a used 96 Stand Intrepid (Black on Black) (No Pic's yet) to replace my beloved TC which burned on the side of the Penn Turnpike over Thanksgiving weekend as we traveled home. Total loss....nothing left but the frame.

Got a good deal and want to treat it right. I have been watching the net and trying to learn all I can about the 96. I understand that there can be trans prob if the maint isn't done on time and if Mopar TF isn't used........

Could anyone eleaborate ???

Also heard that there is front suspension probs ??? Something to do with the links or ties ????????

Any info or suggestions or ideas will be greatly appreciated.

Will take posession of the Trep next week. Present owner is having the side B-Posts painted and I wanted to wait till I sold my old 89 Celebrity Wagon as there isn't alot of parking spots out front of my home.

Thanks to any and all replys. Hope to learn alot and maybe help someone in the future who is the NEWEST NEWBIE then !!!!

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Welcome to the site......as long as u keep ur tranny serviced u should have no probs wit it......
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welcome to the site, glad you joined and hope we can help.
follow the maintance schedue and you should be fine, flush and fill the tranny, check out the inner tie rod ends and the sway arm links, and the rack bushings as they seem to be the most common areas.
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Welcome to the site......as long as u keep ur tranny serviced u should have no probs wit it......
I am wondering......some posts here have stated that the tranny is the weak point of the Chry's LH platform........and that the service HAS to be done on time.........my "Black Beauty" may not have had the service done yet..........it is at 73,000.......I am trying to verify that now...........BUT..........I work at a GM Dealership and I am told by my contacts here that it makes no diff what fluid is used or who does it !?!?!?!?!?

One such "expert" even said........."if it ain't broke, don't fix it !!!" I dissagree with this approach, given the many posts on this site I have seen so far regarding a blown trans when it wasn't service timely and when Chrysler TF wasn't used. Is the fact that the tranny is electric, the reason it being so sensitive to proper maint ???? Or......can I rely on the........."if it is running ok, don't mess with it" mindset ???

I have had experience in the past that once you start to fool around with a piece of machinery, that is working well, you usually end up ruinng it.

Should I let a sleeping dog lie......or should I try to head off probs. If the maint WASN't done timely, and it is running fine now, should I just LET IT BE ???? or should I make the move to properly care for it, even after the fact ??? I am the second owner and it is now out of the 7/70 warranty, so I prob don't have any recourse if the trans lets go now....but maybe I can head off probs with proper care, no matter that it is late.

I don't rod my cars. I am 56 and value every dollar I come by. I don't want to waste money by pouring it down a rat hole, but I know a stitch in time, saves nine. Some have already told me that I wasted my money already by buying a Dodge....but it looks to be well cared for and the woman didn't want to sell it but her husband inticed her with a Jaguar !!!! She folded under the "pressure" to upgrade. I may have found a "Black Pearl" in a sea of A-Baloney and want to treat it well. I need to get another 6-7 years (or more if poss) out of her cuz I just don't have the funds to buy new or another used any time soon.

Thanks for all your help and advice.

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Welcome to the site......as long as u keep ur tranny serviced u should have no probs wit it......
Thanks for the input........

Do you also adhere and advise to the " use ONLY Chry Tans Fluid" mantra ??? I don't care one way or another but I do know Dealership rates and parts are much more expensive than the aftermarket sources.

I work at a GM Dealership and it is a crime what they charge just to get the so-called "Mr. Goodwrench" technically trained grease monkey to work on the non-warranty issues.

My son is Tech School trained in auto care and repair but we do not have the tools and facilities the dealerhips would obviously have to make major repairs. He can do almost 90 % of everything and since I am out of warranty now it would save me some money to do the stuff we can, for ourselves.

I worry that we might screw up something real technical and an electric trans might just be that kind of "over the line" thing.

Thanks for your replys and suggestions.

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I don't rod my cars. I am 56 and value every dollar I come by. I don't want to waste money by pouring it down a rat hole, but I know a stitch in time, saves nine. Some have already told me that I wasted my money already by buying a Dodge....but it looks to be well cared for and the woman didn't want to sell it but her husband inticed her with a Jaguar !!!!.

Thanks for all your help and advice.

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Hey, another 56 yr old on this net!! I feel the same way as you do (besides "old") but must agree that a transmission flush and filter change is an excellent thing to do, and use the recommended Chrysler fluid. It's the manufacturer, who designed the transmission who is recommending what to use, and what not to use. Same deal with flushing the cooling system, and depending on appearance and condition, brake fluid and power steering fluid. Think of it this way, just how long do you think any oil will stand up before it starts to deteriorate and no longer do what it's supposed to do?? Also, as we all know, there is a certain amount of contaminates such as metal shavings in your fluid from wear, etc. Even though the heavier stuff settles out in the pan, the smaller stuff either cloggs the filter, or the real small stuff keeps circulating.
As far as wasting your money on a Dodge, it sounds like somebody is secretly jealous!!
I feel sorry for the husband buying her a Jag instead of a quality auto...Wait till he finds out how often that one is in the shop. He should have invested in a Lexus or Acura or Infinity...

Welcome aboard!!!

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Hello Bob !!!

HEY !!!! We have our own "Wilfred Brimley" in the club !!!!!

And what a Beautiful piece of Eye Candy !!!!! I usually don't like red cars but what I have seen of the Dodge Candy Apple RED I am getting strong urges to rethink that opinion.

Thanks for the heads up on the mere sound rational for following the Manuf's recommends. I know it prob should be done soon anyway. If the former owner did it according to the maint sched at 60 G's then, with it at 73 G's now, it is due in just a couple more G's.

Does you know how much that should cost ??? And to drain and fill the differential too ????

Thanks again for the info and feel free to offer any advice you may think I should know about. As I said before, I am willing to do all I can afford to maintain my "Black Beauty" but I sort of have to make sure it is worthwhile and esssential before I spring for the bucks. I am a work-a-day fool and until I hit the Lotto I have to monitor the green closely.

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And as a matter of fact I am a type 2 diabetic as well!
As far as price all I can say is shop around and watch for specials from your dealer. Although other people may have a better handle on price, I would assume $50 - $100 to do the job right. Some members can give you some sound advice on how to do it yourself if you want to save a few bucks.
Being foolish when I was younger I certainly understand making every buck count. Only a short time left to save enough to retire on... New retirement plan, work...die!
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welcome to the site....
The inner tierod bushings tend to wear rather quickly on the first gen intrepids...the tranny is indeed the weak points on our cars and it is virtually impossible to tell when it will break since usually happens with zero warning.
the sensors in the tranny are 90% the problem when the tranny goes into limp mode, cheap fix but the shops and dealers tend to recomment a new tranny for a 20 dollar part so they can make money...so be careful with that.
ATF+3 or 4 is the fluid you need for your tranny...and a flush is also a wise idea.
at your milage a timing belt and waterpump are recommended due to thier high fail potential.
other than that and general maitnance you should be free from high costs and problems.

again welcome to the board.

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Dave:

Welcome th othe site. Folks here are outstanding when it comes to assisting in maintaining your ride...

1. The 3.3L engine is a real workhorse. I've just passed 250,000 miles on mine, without a hint of trouble. You have a timing chain instead of a belt, so no worries about having to replace it anytime soon.

2. As noted, the Suspension Links and Tie Rod ends are prone to wear. I've had good luck using NAPA brand links, which, when they do wear, are replaced for free (parts, anyway...)

3. I'll echo the comments on the tranny. Take the time (like, now!) to have the pan dropped and the filter replaced, since you don't know if this was ever done previously. Upgrade to the MOPAR +4 fluid. This trans/clutch design is particularly sensitive, and the use of generic hydro fluid (with differing additive packages that modify the slip characteristics in the clutches) is a sure-fire way to limp into a tranny rebuild. Been there, done that.

4. While you're at it, spend an add'l $30 to add an auxilliary trans cooler, if your '96 doesn't have one... A Hayden cooler mounted in front of the radiator will go a long way toward ensuring that you never have to pony up $1,500 for a rebuild.

Congrats, and welcome aboard! 1st Gen's are well-built, comfortable, and stylish cars!

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Hello Cheddaaaar !!!!!

Thanks for the insites. You seem to know alot about the First Gen's. You are the first to verify with any certainty that I have a timing CHAIN vs BELT. Thanks, that's valuable info to know.

Also, you sound very experienced. Did you ever wrench Dodge ??? If so, I have a few more q's for someone experienced and in-the-know. Like, can I put on an Aux Trans Cooler myself ?? I want to do as much as I can, not only to save money, but to be able to say "I did it MY WAY." I really am interested in learning and I love to keep the green in MY pocket vs anyone else's !!!!!

I too love the First Gens. About 94 or 95, after seeing the Treps all over the place, I went down to one of our Dealerships and just sat in one for over an hour. It was outside and no salesman knew I was around. I read the manual, played with the "bells and whistles," observed where all the buttons and dials were and got the seat set just where I LIKED IT !!!!

Of course, a new car was totally out of the question right then, but I had it all picked out, for sure. NOW, comes nearly 10 years later and I have MY TREP FINALLY !!!! It is so weird. I prob would have bought a white one with a blue interior, if I had the choice of a lot full of inventory. Or maybe a blue one with the onyx interior. I have always wanted an sky blue car, although GREEN is my favorite color and the NEW TREPS have a gorgeous, deep, forrest green that looks fantastic. BUt LOOK at ME !!!!! A black on black !!! But that's what happens when you are a "beggar" and not a "chooser" !!!!!

You has to do what you has to do !!!!

I don't have alot of options and when this "Black Beauty" became available, I had to jump on it. I really think it will work out all right. I can just see this pure Diamond Glazed, Bolt of Black go down the boulevard. It's a warm night. Windows up. Eagles down. A/C on. Red taillignts trailing a blazing laser beam. Front neon blue headlights, boring a hole into the night. Stock road wheels spining that pinwheel look to each side. And that 3.3 purring like a Black Panther !!!!

Yeah, I got it bad.

This is, potentially, the best car I have ever had for my own use. We did own a Town Car and it was simply pure luxury. But when it burned down to the frame last Thanksgiving on the Penn Turnpike, I had to make some changes.

I always drove the rust bucket and let my wife have the best, safest, newest car in the family. Well, NOW, I get to go in style. I splurged and maybe paid a $1000.00 more than it could have been had for...But...I now have a low mileage, (73,600) well-cared-for, stylish, rust-less, clean, neutral smelling, no smoking evidence, big interrior, recently "refurbished," sport sedan to tool around in. And, quite possibly the best part, a sales source who is ultimately trustworthy and helpful and willing to go the extra mile to make sure the car is safe and fully operational.

I think I have found a diamond in the ruff and sure hope to be able to drive it another 10 years or more !!!!!

It sure won't go out of style for another few years. And I hope with some TLC, she will hold up, mechanically, for the entire relationship. I am willing to take care of her if she will agree to be there when I need her !!!

What more can you ask ????

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hey dave,
sound like your pretty excited about your new find.
the 3.3 is a great engine with adequate power.
as long as you drive like a 56 yr old man you should have no probs with the trans,if you keep up he maintinence.
the atf +4 is he only fluid you should use.dextron will wreck it over time.
did you check to see if you have a trans cooler already.
being a 96 it may have came with one.
if not it is a good investment.
as far as the expert who said if it aint broke dont fix it.i wonder when was the last time his old lady had an orgasm...
if we all waited for things to break before we fix them they would have to make the shoulders on the roads alot bigger.
i feel your excitement!!!!!!!!!!
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as long as you drive like a 56 yr old man you should have no probs with the trans,if you keep up he maintinence.
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA Drive like a 56 year old man...Just how should us 56 year old men drive?!!?
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