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post #1 of 15 (permalink) Old 10-09-2006, 03:09 PM Thread Starter
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Clear coat etch

Well, we had an outbreak of love bugs (Plecia nearctica) around here and I think I left the critter bodies on the nose of the car too long (2 days). I have a few tiny places that look like acid etching in the clear coat. They're not bad but annoying. Any product recommendations for this? What about Meguires ScratchX or ColorX?

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Any kind of medium grade polish with a good wool pad will take out most of the etching as long as it hasnt been etched for a really long time.

I don't know meguiars line very well but from auto magic id recommend GS-1 or XP Polish, just go slower with the xp polish because its one of the heavier polishes. Follow that up with some awesome gloss. Should take care of the problem. Oh and use a different whool pad for the awesome gloss then with the xp polish, dont mix polishes on a pad, it could mess things up.

By the way, for a good reference guide, i decided I would go track down the chart that I use as a general rule of thumb for paint.

Remember: XP polish = wool pad,
Awesome Gloss= Foam Pad.

http://www.automagic.biz/Training/cl...aintchart2.htm

Of course I dont follow it to the T, and I do things differently but this will give you a great idea. And yes I love automagic polishes, its not as good as stuff with silicone in it, but its body shop safe, petrolium based, and works well.

(water based compound is shit for anything but paint thats less then 3 days old.)

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Love bugs have two mating seasons a year, lasting about 3 weeks each. During that time, it's a good idea to spray the front of your car with pam cooking oil before going anywhere they hangout, or a road trip. They wipe right off. Leaving them on for two days is a death warrant for paint. They start to decay in the hot sun in a couple of hours.
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Pam? thats an interesting idea... Dunno how safe that is for paint, I mean I cant see it really harming the paint, but it'd be a messy proposition.

I would recommend that before the "mating season" cleaning and polishing the paint to prepare the surface, then apply one coat of EX-P Sealant from poorboysworld.com, let it dry to a haze, and buff it off (shouldnt take but a few minutes) and then let the paint cure for 2 hours, and apply another layer of sealant.

Allow the paint to cure for 24-72 hours to get rid of the vapors essentially. Then apply anywhere from 2-3 coats of nattys blue paste wax (same manufacturer), allow 30 minutes between each panel for the wax to cure.

This whole process will protect your paint extremely well, and it will provide an excellent gloss/shine/look.

*By the way, I only recommend poorboysworld products because my experience with them is excellent, the nattys wax is by far the best wax iv ever used, and the sealant is excellent as well.

Oh and you might want to consider purchasing a small plastic container and put a few micro fiber towels in the container, put the container in the trunk, and carry a bottle of spray wax with you (quick detail spray wax stuff) as this stuff is your best friend when you have fresh bug guts/bird poo on your paint, and is really handy

At the very least use a carnuba wax of some kind. Carnuba is an excellent wax that protects, allows reflection of light, beads water, prevents etching, and allows the paint to breath.

Carnuba also has oils in it that would produce a similar effect as pam, in regards to keeping the bugs off.

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Thanks for the tips and the link Japy. I'll look for that stuff when I go to town today. I tried some micro-bead polymer stuff I had around and it did okay but there's still a little "fog". If I can't find any of the Auto Magic products, I may try the ScratchX. It seems to get good reviews around here.

Yeah, I screwed up Dodgaholic. The worst part is I let my wax get weak :-(
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Pam? thats an interesting idea... Dunno how safe that is for paint, I mean I cant see it really harming the paint, but it'd be a messy proposition.

I would recommend that before the "mating season" cleaning and polishing the paint to prepare the surface, then apply one coat of EX-P Sealant from poorboysworld.com, let it dry to a haze, and buff it off (shouldnt take but a few minutes) and then let the paint cure for 2 hours, and apply another layer of sealant.

Allow the paint to cure for 24-72 hours to get rid of the vapors essentially. Then apply anywhere from 2-3 coats of nattys blue paste wax (same manufacturer), allow 30 minutes between each panel for the wax to cure.

This whole process will protect your paint extremely well, and it will provide an excellent gloss/shine/look.

*By the way, I only recommend poorboysworld products because my experience with them is excellent, the nattys wax is by far the best wax iv ever used, and the sealant is excellent as well.

Oh and you might want to consider purchasing a small plastic container and put a few micro fiber towels in the container, put the container in the trunk, and carry a bottle of spray wax with you (quick detail spray wax stuff) as this stuff is your best friend when you have fresh bug guts/bird poo on your paint, and is really handy

At the very least use a carnuba wax of some kind. Carnuba is an excellent wax that protects, allows reflection of light, beads water, prevents etching, and allows the paint to breath.

Carnuba also has oils in it that would produce a similar effect as pam, in regards to keeping the bugs off.
Those are nice thoughts, but I don't know if you have ever experienced love bugs. Carnauba will not kee them from sticking, or the acid from eating your paint. Look at this pic




NOT my pix, but you get the idea.

They get everywhere. In the grille, on the lights, hood, windshield, wipers, friggin everywhere, by the thousands. You can't wax the flat painted areas like the grille, so PAM is the answer. We've been using it for years on many vehicles, with no paint damage whatsoever. I learned the trick from a trucker.

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LOL That car is a mess. I've seen a lot worse but we haven't had an infestation bad enough to do that to a car in quite a few years.
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Those are nice thoughts, but I don't know if you have ever experienced love bugs. Carnauba will not kee them from sticking, or the acid from eating your paint. Look at this pic




NOT my pix, but you get the idea.

They get everywhere. In the grille, on the lights, hood, windshield, wipers, friggin everywhere, by the thousands. You can't wax the flat painted areas like the grille, so PAM is the answer. We've been using it for years on many vehicles, with no paint damage whatsoever. I learned the trick from a trucker.

You sir are correct, I havent had to deal with that big of a problem before... lol...

Although in the UP there are millions of bugs that hit your car by the swarm >_<

Rofl I'd use pam... and then bring a california water blade to clean them off :grlaugh:
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I drove from here to a flea market 2 years ago, over in Webster, say 25 miles...
It's off the interstate 75, which is a prime area for these bugs.
My car looked just like that. Got home, and the hose blasted them right off.
Without the pam, would have been screwed. Of course you can't help the windshield with PAM, but rain-x treatment helps there.
Fortunately, the season for that is very short, and they are primarily in rural areas with tall grasses.
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Weren't these love bugs genetically engineered in Gainsville, as I've heard?
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I always use Meguires Step 1 paint cleaner on acid left over from bugs and bird droppings. Get to it quickly enough and you can make the car good as new. But it may require some significant effort!
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Weren't these love bugs genetically engineered in Gainsville, as I've heard?
:icon_lol: Urban Legends strike again..
http://www.snopes.com/critters/lurkers/lovebugs.htm
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I got some ScratchX yesterday and tested it. It appears this will repair the etch. It won't be difficult since I have only limited spots to deal with and probably much safer than me going after it with a buffer.

The worst dose of love bugs we had was in 1995, between hurricanes. They were so thick that I used a shop vac to get them away from the back door so we could enter the house. Before it was over, I had five inches of the suckers in the tank.

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Umm if they ever get that bad again you know what you need?


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Cool idea. Yep, that would clear the lil bastards out of the area for a few minutes.
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