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Zaino vs. Meguiar's

An excellent write-up. Allowed me to make the final decision, which was/is Meguiar's 3-part system. My reasons: Cost, ease of acquiring, quality and ability, only having to go around the car 3 times as compared to Zaino's 5 times.

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I dunno.... i never go around the car five times with Zaino. I'll clean with dawn.... then use Z1 and then Z2. I dont even bother with Z5 since I have a silver car and swirl marks are not as big an issue.

If i go around with the spray... which i do often... it doesnt take very long since its a quick spray on/wipe off deal.
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Well, there is sort of a flaw with his test. He never polished the paint on the Meguiar's side, which is what trully removes/hides swirl marks. All he did was "clean" the paint and then wax it. I think he would have seen better results if he had applied Meguiar's #9 Swirl Remover or #7 Show Car Glaze before the Gold Class wax. Both can be applied by hand, not requiring a buffer and I've found they make an incredible difference in vissible swirl marks and color depth...
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Well, there is sort of a flaw with his test. He never polished the paint on the Meguiar's side, which is what trully removes/hides swirl marks. All he did was "clean" the paint and then wax it. I think he would have seen better results if he had applied Meguiar's #9 Swirl Remover or #7 Show Car Glaze before the Gold Class wax. Both can be applied by hand, not requiring a buffer and I've found they make an incredible difference in vissible swirl marks and color depth...
Hey dbaudiopro,
Questions... You obviously know more than me concerning the products that Meguiar's offers. I've been using the Meguiar's 3-part crystal system which comprises the cleaner, polish and wax. I've liked the results on my Black Trep, but I think I can do better. I just bought a random orbital polisher for I'm truly tired of doing anything by hand. I need to cut the time down. I've yet to use it, but will shortly to apply a fresh layer of wax. Which brings me to my next point. I've decided to replace the wax portion of the Meguiar's 3-part crystal system with the Meguiar's Gold Class Clear Coat Liquid Car Wax, believing this will perform even better. I have purchased it, but not yet used it, but when I do, I'll likely use the new electric polisher.

Now, my question(s):

I'm just using the no-brainer 3-part system that Meguiar's sells, yet there is a whole slew of the more professional products they offer that are available, just like the choices you've indicated above. Okay, now the big question: What products within the Meguiar's professional line might you recommend for me and my new, black R/T? Obviously the paint in in PERFECT shape right now, and I want to keep it that way. Very few swirl marks, but a couple... I think the cleaner/polish/wax idea is good, and performing 3 steps doesn't bother me much.

Sure would appreciate your thoughts. Thanks...

Tom.
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Hope you don't mind if I jump in...

You probably can avoid using the cleaner for now...I would say limit it to once a year for the first few years...your paint/clearcoat should be nearly perfect on a brand new car...no need to clean it very often at this point. Probably clean once after the winter months. With my new trep I have been using Show Car Glaze 7 and Hi-Tech Yellow Wax 26...the Gold Class Clear Coat Car Wax should be a fine replacement for the 26.

Mequiars basically recommends 5 steps: Wash, Surface Prep/cleaning, Polishing, Protecting/wax, maintaining.

My opinion...with a new car you can avoid or limit the surface prep/cleaning for now. Stick with a good polish that you use maybe 6 times a year (I would say less but with a black car you definitely need to polish a little more often) and then wax maybe 8-12 times a year depending on the environmental conditions (heat, rain, snow, garaged/not garaged etc...)

Check out their web site...there are a lot of pro products but you really will not go wrong with any of them. Just pick one from each catagory.

http://www.meguiars.com/product_show...m_template.cfm

Congrats on your new buffer...personally I would spend a buck or two more and go with the professional products. In a perfect world I would suggest...New Car Glaze 5 or Show Car Glaze 7 for your polish, and Hi-Tech Yellow Wax 26 or Medallion Premium Paint Protection for your wax. Also might consider Polymer Sealant for the summer months if you park outdoors.

I love black cars...if it would have been my choice alone my Trep would be black but had to compromise and ended up with Inferno Red. Black cars look the absolute best when well maintained.

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Yeah you can just use one step and expect good results, your only polishing the swirl marks that way.
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BTW...personally I would avoid the Crystal line from Meguiars. I used to use them but was never really impressed with results. I think the pro products are a lot better.
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BTW...personally I would avoid the Crystal line from Meguiars. I used to use them but was never really impressed with results. I think the pro products are a lot better.
Hey, thanks a lot Chicago! I'm learning a lot from you guys!

Thanks to you, I did research and purchase a random orbital polisher. I was most impressed with the Porter Cable 7424 or 7336 random orbital polisher/sander. They can be had new on EBAY or Yahoo Shopping for about $120.00. Along with pads, etc. the price would go up to around $200.00. Interestingly enough, this is the very polisher that Meguiar's recommends and sells on their web site for $250.00, without pads! Hmmm. I also looked at numerous other units from Wen, Makita, Milwaukee Tool, and others.

So, after much research & education what did I do? I went out and blew my money on a cheaper unit. Actually, check this out. I decided to go by Sears and see what they had. I wasn't real impressed with their products while looking at their web site, but I figured "what the hell", stop by and check 'em out. Well, they had/have this 10" random orbital polisher on special, complete with a bunch of bonnets and a carry case, all for $39.95. I just couldn't pass it up. It's a Craftsman, so I figure it'll hold up okay. And besides, it'll probably do just great on this new cars finish. Even so, if I don't like it, back into the box it goes and back to Sears for a refund. Actually, after getting it home and checking it out, I think it'll work just great for me. $200.00 compared to $40.00 - I'll try the $40 solution first...

Here's the one I got from Sears:

http://www.sears.com/sr/product/summ...id=00910626000

Also, I agree with you Chicago. I expected the Crystal system to perform better. I did go over and look at the professional products, and I too kind of keyed in on the New Car Glaze as a polish and the Hi-Tech Yellow Wax as the top coat. Question: Where are you coming up with the numbers after the product name?

Thanks again all, especially you Chicago! I'll keep you guys updated...

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If you look at the pro products bottles they all have numbers on them. Since there are so many pro products makes it a little easier to refer to them just by number.

I think you will be pretty happy with the $40 buffer. I did the exact same thing...I own a $50 unit. I figure it this buffer ever dies then maybe I will go for a little better one. Wanted to try it out first and see how I liked using it. I still only use the buffer about 50% of the time. Still do it by hand when all I am looking for is a quick wax or focused wax on just the hood and spoiler.

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Here is a Hi-Teck Yellow Wax bottle...notice the 26
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Here is a Hi-Teck Yellow Wax bottle...notice the 26
Cool. Thanks again!

For everyone else, here's a pic of what I got for $39.95 at Sears:
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Hey dbaudiopro,
Questions... You obviously know more than me concerning the products that Meguiar's offers. I've been using the Meguiar's 3-part crystal system which comprises the cleaner, polish and wax. I've liked the results on my Black Trep, but I think I can do better. I just bought a random orbital polisher for I'm truly tired of doing anything by hand. I need to cut the time down. I've yet to use it, but will shortly to apply a fresh layer of wax. Which brings me to my next point. I've decided to replace the wax portion of the Meguiar's 3-part crystal system with the Meguiar's Gold Class Clear Coat Liquid Car Wax, believing this will perform even better. I have purchased it, but not yet used it, but when I do, I'll likely use the new electric polisher.

Now, my question(s):

I'm just using the no-brainer 3-part system that Meguiar's sells, yet there is a whole slew of the more professional products they offer that are available, just like the choices you've indicated above. Okay, now the big question: What products within the Meguiar's professional line might you recommend for me and my new, black R/T? Obviously the paint in in PERFECT shape right now, and I want to keep it that way. Very few swirl marks, but a couple... I think the cleaner/polish/wax idea is good, and performing 3 steps doesn't bother me much.

Sure would appreciate your thoughts. Thanks...
I've used lots of Meguiar's products on my car all with varying degrees of success. I used the Deep Crystal system for about two years on my old car and loved it. I got tons of complements on it (yes it was black). This was all while I was on a starving college student budget so the Deep Crystal line was in my price range. However, once using the professional stuff I won't go back. I have had much better results. I own the Meguiar's Dual Action Polisher. I bought it when it was brand new and before I realized it was just a Porter Cable piece that I could have bought cheaper. I got it so new that Meguiar's wasn't even repackaging it in the Meguiar's box it was still in the Porter Cable box and the Meguiar's stickers were just stuck over top the Porter Cable ones on the unit itself! However, I got it as part of their Concours Collection, so if you average out the savings it wasn't that bad. BTW: their collections are definitley the way to get started, you can save a ton of money. I typically spend about $200 a year on Meguiar's products for the car, but I use everything. I don't believe there is a non-Meguiar's product that touches my car, including the brushes and wash mits, etc. (I don't find their wash mits and stuff to be that overpriced and they all came with the kit I bought anyway). The only non Meguiar's product I use is Simple Green, but I may switch to their new all purpose cleaner.

One word of advice on the power polisher. I don't feel comfortable using anything other than a foam pad (which is all that workd with the polisher I have). The lambs wool and terry cloth will all easilly leave swirl marks and worse, buffer marks, if used improperly. With how contoured our cars are it's easy to create buffer marks. I'm not sure what your buffer came with, but I would recommend "closed cell foam" pads for those of us that aren't trained pros.

Right now my car is covered in swirls and buffer marks because I got lazy a couple months ago and took it to a local detail shop. The shop came highly recommended and they only use Meguiar's products, but they did a shitty job and now I'm going to spend hours upon hours getting it cleaned up. It goes to show that even with the best materials you can screw stuff up not knowing what you're doing... :mad:
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You probably can avoid using the cleaner for now...I would say limit it to once a year for the first few years...your paint/clearcoat should be nearly perfect on a brand new car...no need to clean it very often at this point. Probably clean once after the winter months. With my new trep I have been using Show Car Glaze 7 and Hi-Tech Yellow Wax 26...the Gold Class Clear Coat Car Wax should be a fine replacement for the 26.

Mequiars basically recommends 5 steps: Wash, Surface Prep/cleaning, Polishing, Protecting/wax, maintaining.

My opinion...with a new car you can avoid or limit the surface prep/cleaning for now. Stick with a good polish that you use maybe 6 times a year (I would say less but with a black car you definitely need to polish a little more often) and then wax maybe 8-12 times a year depending on the environmental conditions (heat, rain, snow, garaged/not garaged etc...)
I would disagree with this about not cleaning the paint surface on a new car. Unfortunately, our cars don't get covered delivery and typically pick up a lot of crap during transportation. The first thing I did to my new R/T was wash it and feel the surface. It was rough as hell, so I used the clay bar on it, cleaned it with Medallion paint cleaner, polished with #7 and finished it off with some Medallion Premium Paint Protection. It was awsome when I was done. When I took it into the dealership the next week to have the spoiler put on, they were amazed at the finish.

Also, I used to wash and wax my car on a weekly basis. I would use #7 on it monthly to bi-monthly and paint cleaner at least every 3-4 months. However, I now have a life and my car finsih has suffered a little. I'm now lucky to get her washed twice a month... :(
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Check out their web site...there are a lot of pro products but you really will not go wrong with any of them. Just pick one from each catagory.

http://www.meguiars.com/product_show...m_template.cfm

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Damn why did you have to show me that!? Now i have to go out and buy some of those detailing accessories, I feel i may die without them. ;)
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They have a nice deal going on at Target right now...have 2 different Meguiars Gift Packs on clearance.

9.99 gift pack includes: Gold Class Wax(10.99), Gold Class CarWash(5.99), Spray on Detailer (4.99), and Scratch X(6.99). $29 value.

6.99 gift pack included: one each of their wipes leather/protectant/all purpose normally 5.99 ea.

Not sure if they are available at all stores but they are here...didn't buy any because I use all pro products but definitely great deals.
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