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12-04-2004 06:28 PM
moparman I watched a Winston West race today on Speed channel from Irwindale. Taped delay of course. Cool track.
12-04-2004 01:23 AM
D76G12
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Originally Posted by asnboy1084
Thanks for all the great replies, anyway i'd love to auto-x against another member, intrepid versus intrepid. My family has better cars but intrepids will just be more fun to drive. I am in the LA area, we could possibly go to Irwindale. Oh yea i have a 2.7. So who's down?
Even 30 years ago Irwindale was a "Hot Spot"! As a matter of fact, the hot rods back then (in LA) were called "Irwindale Specials"! I guess some things never change ...
12-03-2004 05:34 PM
asnboy1084 Thanks for all the great replies, anyway i'd love to auto-x against another member, intrepid versus intrepid. My family has better cars but intrepids will just be more fun to drive. I am in the LA area, we could possibly go to Irwindale. Oh yea i have a 2.7. So who's down?
12-03-2004 10:40 AM
usonofabetch i think it might be a different rack. i dunno, my neighbor's 2nd gen r/t's steering wheel trnieda bit faster but it IS a brand new car. my trep is 11 years old. but the steering thing, i only have to force it when i turn the wheel a lot REAL quick one way and then try to get it to turn alot the other way REAL quick. while turning the wheel the other way i end up having to force the wheel but when doing single turns at a time its just fine. pretty quick
12-03-2004 01:43 AM
D76G12
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Originally Posted by dbaudiopro
I believe the R/T has a different steering rack than the other models. I've never had a problem with steering response...
It is - same rack as the cop treps - at least in '02 ...
12-03-2004 01:08 AM
dbaudiopro I believe the R/T has a different steering rack than the other models. I've never had a problem with steering response...
12-03-2004 01:05 AM
usonofabetch auto x for treps, turns are defintely too tight, on the thread about auto X against the cop crown Vic i wrote about the steering being too slow. since the trep wasn't really made for this, although it handles pretty good, in those turns, i've actully had to try to force the steering wheel into turning faster than the power steering allows (94 trep). its a good workout though, lots of fun
12-02-2004 07:19 PM
D76G12
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Originally Posted by dbaudiopro
You get anything but "instant" response with the auto stick. You can kick the lever, but it will still shift at the same slow speed as it does in "D". Yes you can choose the shift point, but it's still a piss poor replacement for a real manual with a clutch. The only reason I usually run in autostick mode is because it will force redline before shifting. In "D" the car will shift sooner even at WOT for some dumb reason and i'm guaranteed not to upshift when I'm out of the throttle. It takes a lot of getting used to though due to all the engine braking that occurs. By forcing it to stay in first as soon as you let off the throttle at 6000RPM it's like stomping the brakes, very unsettling to the balance of the car...
They must have changed the TCM program for 2002 when they merged the computers. While there is about a half-second delay between the request (slam the stick) and the shift, the shift itself is very quick - not quite as fast as the B&M kit in the Road Runner but close! Same for the red-line shift, very quick. Downshift speeds are a little different and depend on how close the throttle position is to the downshift RPMs. We definitely agree on one thing, though - letting off the pedal near WOT can be quite a jolt ...!
12-02-2004 05:11 PM
dbaudiopro You get anything but "instant" response with the auto stick. You can kick the lever, but it will still shift at the same slow speed as it does in "D". Yes you can choose the shift point, but it's still a piss poor replacement for a real manual with a clutch. The only reason I usually run in autostick mode is because it will force redline before shifting. In "D" the car will shift sooner even at WOT for some dumb reason and i'm guaranteed not to upshift when I'm out of the throttle. It takes a lot of getting used to though due to all the engine braking that occurs. By forcing it to stay in first as soon as you let off the throttle at 6000RPM it's like stomping the brakes, very unsettling to the ballance of the car...
12-02-2004 04:46 PM
RJ Even mine is kind of slow to downshift compared to other automatics I've driven. If I'm over 25 mph then it takes a full throttle to force a shift to 1st.

I think autostick would help a lot, you'll get instant response, espcially helpful on a tight course.
12-02-2004 03:31 PM
dbaudiopro
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Originally Posted by RJ
Nope, no autostick for me. (their fat donut stomach would be bumping against the shifter, rendering it useless anyway)

I keep it in 3rd, and it would shift between 2nd and 1st all the time. 2nd when I let off the gas for a corner, and back to first as I come out of the tight corner full throttle.

I was told by a few senior racers to left foot brake (to decrease understeer), so I would go into a corner with half throttle and left foot on the brake. This actually did help somewhat, not much. The Crown Vics didn't have this problem, as they were more balanced being RWD.

If I'm really serious about this sport, then I might get an SRT-4 in the future.
Left foot braking helps, but I'm personally not coordinated enough to use it effectively. I end up mashing the brake way too hard and well, we won't go there. The police package may have a more aggressive TCM program because with mine in "D" it's hard as hell to get it to shift back down to first. It eventually would, but I would get a huge lag coming out of the corner waiting for the downshift...
12-02-2004 03:23 PM
RJ
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Originally Posted by dbaudiopro
The police package doesn't have auto-stick correct? I end up running the majority of tracks near redline in first gear. It really causes problems trying to turn with all the engine braking but it simply won't shift fast enough to upshift going in and then down shift coming out of the turn...
Nope, no autostick for me. (their fat donut stomach would be bumping against the shifter, rendering it useless anyway)

I keep it in 3rd, and it would shift between 2nd and 1st all the time. 2nd when I let off the gas for a corner, and back to first as I come out of the tight corner full throttle.

I was told by a few senior racers to left foot brake (to decrease understeer), so I would go into a corner with half throttle and left foot on the brake. This actually did help somewhat, not much. The Crown Vics didn't have this problem, as they were more balanced being RWD.

If I'm really serious about this sport, then I might get an SRT-4 in the future.
12-02-2004 03:12 PM
dbaudiopro
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Originally Posted by RJ
Exactly!

My course always put me at the bottom of 2nd gear. If I had a big track with room to stretch, I could've been much more competitive.
The police package doesn't have auto-stick correct? I end up running the majority of tracks near redline in first gear. It really causes problems trying to turn with all the engine braking but it simply won't shift fast enough to upshift going in and then down shift coming out of the turn...
12-02-2004 03:09 PM
dbaudiopro
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Originally Posted by LOUD98ES
Not to mention what it did to your engine... :nuke:
Honestly, the verdict is still out on that. Of the several mechanics that have seen he damage they believe it's more likely a part defect and had little to do with the autoX'ing it's done. But I won't argue that the autoX didn't help the situation and probably accellerated the failure. The one possible problem caused by autoX'ing it may have been oil "slosh" in the pan. If there was excessive "sloshing" there may have been some foam created or may have affected the pickup. But that's all just a guess. The concensus seems to be that it was a defect that caused the problem. Keep in mind I wasn't on track and hadn't even been to an event anywhere near the time the engine signed off...
12-02-2004 02:57 PM
RJ
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Originally Posted by dbaudiopro
I've autoX'd numerous times with the R/T. Tons of fun, but depending on how the particular club you run with classes you, don't expect to be breaking records and leading points. Most autoX courses are way too tight and technical for this massive of a car. It's very difficult to keep it in the power band. If you can find a club that uses longer courses you'll have more fun and be more competitive...
Exactly!

My course always put me at the bottom of 2nd gear. If I had a big track with room to stretch, I could've been much more competitive.
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