[DEEPRED]

Hey all,

So I had DEEPRED in the shop today to get an oil change, and in a couple weeks her belts replaced she is already at her 48K mile maintenance... wow. Anyway I also had my TCM/PCM update and well there was one out there for the enviromental controls, so if anyone is familiar with my other posts hopefully this will take care of it.

But one ting I had looked at was a vibration in the right front door panel whenever there was a really resounding bass hit. With the music I listen to that is a frequent occurance. So they said they had heard of problems with the '99 door trim, I was wondering if anyone here has the same trouble? This is also a kind of request on tips on how to pull the door panel off so I can possibly find out what is causing it and take care of it myself. I didn't want to pay the $70/hr labor charge to have my dealer do it.

 

[beepbeepsrule]

I have that same bass frequency related rattle in my 2000ES front passenger door. It has the Infinity stereo, all stock. I have not done anything about it as yet. I intend to take it apart myself soon to see what is going on in there. The same rattle can happen over a washboard type surface also. Mine is at 19k miles and has been doing this for a while.

[ January 15, 2002: Message edited by: IntrepiDan ]

 

[sURFNmADNESS]

You only have to remove the front grill over the door speakers to inspect them. Use a trim tool (aka a carefully used screwdriver) to remove it. No door panel removal required for this.

If you can not find anything in the speaker cavity. You can do two options to remove the interior panel on the door.

1. Haynes manual for the 98+ LHS, 300m & Intrepid has entire chapter about how to remove panels inside and out. The door is one of them covered.

2. The other option is to just try it yourself. It is not hard. 3 Screws along the bottom of the door, two in the area between the door and the dash when closed. One in the door release handle and one at the bottom of the handle hold in the armrest. Once these are out, put down the window and then raise the panel in an upward motion to remove. There is a water sheild under it, just peal it back to get inside the door cavity.

sURFN

[ January 15, 2002: Message edited by: sURFNmADNESS ]

 

[DEEPRED]

sURFNmADNESS> Thanks for the tip, I did it this weekend. Beautiful 55+ degree weather Sunday in Iowa so I took the initiative to get this done.

For anyone facing the same problem, I think I solved it but I am continuting to test this week... I'll need to get a few albums out I know that did this. But after one day of test I think it is less noticable if not gone completely. What I ended up noticing was that the window switch in the passenger side door was "loose" it moved around just slightly when pushed. And I am talking about the whole mechanism.
So After tearing apart my whole door trim, I put it al back together and popped out the window switch mechanisim and put a small bit of foam (Possibly use thick tape) to eat up the loose space and replaced it. And like I said it defintely sounds like that was the major culprit. I find it completely amazing that such a little peice can cause that much noticable noise, if that's the case. If any one else that has this prob fixes theirs like I did, let me know your results.

 

[sURFNmADNESS]

Thanks for the info DEEPRED,

Will have to look at mine now and see if I have the same type of issue. Think my vibration is coming from the sail speakers though. Either loose or just can not handle the lows.

sURFN

 

[DEEPRED]

Surf, From what I understand the TSB covers the door sails, at least that's what the shop told me, something to do with the door sails or a gasket in the door panel. Neither of those were my problem unfortunately. Sorry I forgot to mention those before, your post mentioning the tweeter locations sparked my memory. You might want to have them chekc into that TSB when you take it to the shop next.

 

[Warlord187]

I have the same rattle problem. If I get the guts do rip out my door panel, I'll try the same thing you did DEEPRED. Thanks for the info.

 

[DEEPRED]

Warlord, jsut to let you know this took care of one vibration... but there is one more that is more immediate yet barely noticable, I have to single out the right front speakers in the balance controls and really listen for it to catch it, still noise polution though. I think I'm going to take art of my tax return and get my head unit finally (same shop that I had do my speakers), so I will have them check into that vibration while I am there. This is just what I have noticed so far, so it hasn't been a 100% fix, but it does sound much better than it did before. Good luck to ya, the door panel is easy, just you need guts for that last presure fit bolt, it held my door in tight.

Surfn', I also just rememberd that your instructions however really good were not complete for this operation. Here's the rest for you Warlord and anyone else hoping to take care of this.

First off I had to remove the tweeter compartment completely, this involved removing the two screws on the outside of the door sail compartment and then there are two more screws holding the base of the compartment onto the door frame. This made it much eaiser to do the pull-up step in Surfn's instructions. Also there are three additional screws in the main woofer compartment of the door panel, I pried the grating off with a flat head screw driver to get to these screws. Also a helpful note, all the screws are philips head. After the door sail/tweeter compartment was removed and all the rest of the screws from the door panel including the speaker compartment, the next step is the pull-up of the door panel. Now this part confused me becuse the door panel still didn't want to move... but it what comnclusion I came to after some fiddling with it was to reach in where te window dissapears and you can pull up on the inside door trim from there and pull it over a lip holding it inplace. After it is off that lip there are two preasure fit "bolts" that just reqire some pulling. These are located at the end of the door trim closest to the back of the car. One is near the bottom, the other nead the middle, the middle on is the pain that wanted to stay in place for me... took me a while to figure out what it was exactaly to know it was safe to just pull on it.

Again Good luck!

 

[sURFNmADNESS]

HeHe,

Opps! Sorry Deepred,

Forgot, I have never removed the front door panels on my 2nd gen. I did on my 96 ES though. And, yes, I do now remember removing those screws in the speaker. Sorry, had forgot about them. As for the sail speaker, was not on the 96, so that is why I forgot about it too. Hehe, least got to go take a look!

I posted into another topic HERE about info on our radio systems.

sURFN

 

[blkbute]

my problem is that my grills rattle like crazy, I do not know why, I have put some tooth pics to be used as wedges it helped for about a week till they poped out.

 

[DEEPRED]

Okay after a couple weeks of riding around with this change, and a few new bassier albums... this problem isn't completely solved. But I did notice something funny that I would like others having this trouble to try out. I notice that if I drop my passenger window a crack most of the extra vibration goes away. Having something to do with the window carrying vibration somewhere maybe? Oh well another reason to get into the door again. Yippie