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both have a 3.5L, just the different badging, ...i ithink.....but as far as the performance, i do believe that they are the same...........but than again, wahat do i know...i could be wrong, wait and see what other guys know first..
 

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some sports have a limiter, some don't.
 

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well...... I have a 97 sport with a 3.5, and like he said, some do, and some, well....... dont. and i am one of the lucky fellas THAT HAVE ONE OF TOSE F&%@ING :mad: GOD DAMN LIMITERS!!!!!! if they are going to leave them out of some, they should leave them out of all of them! stupid god damn son of a.......... sorry, work sucks, just venting in here..... point still stands!
 

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from what I understand is that the car built for the US have them and the car built for Canada don't
 

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you can get an ungoverned car in the US. there's a 3.5 PCM for some 93-97 cars. there was a suspension and handling option that included Z rated michelin tires stock with some stiffer springs and whatnot. these are the cars that have no governor.
 

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I have a 97 Eagle Vision 3.5 TSi and it seems I don´t have a limiter.

Just yesterday I was doing about 125- 130 MPH.(Don´t know exactly how much,my speedo ends at 120 :) because I was in a hurry...

Doen´t sound like a limiter I ´d say...

Benny
 

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How do we know if we do have 1 or not, and if you have 1, how do u remove it? Ive only had the chance to get to 110 MPH a few times in the year ive owned it, so i dont know if i have 1!
 

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97 sport platinum said:
you can get an ungoverned car in the US. there's a 3.5 PCM for some 93-97 cars. there was a suspension and handling option that included Z rated michelin tires stock with some stiffer springs and whatnot. these are the cars that have no governor.
Was it Z rated or V rated? I thought that it would have to be V rated to go above 140... which is what I think these things can do without the limiter. But yeah, what you said about the options that allowed to sell the car without a governor.
 

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Here's the deal with the limiter...it is true that some of the cars have them and some don't...for the ones that do it will usually kick in around 110...just a little under in my car...just compltley stops engine from taking in more gas...anyway to remove it...help would be appreciated...
scared the crap out of me when i first hit it...thought my car had just died lol
 

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jcman311 said:
Was it Z rated or V rated? I thought that it would have to be V rated to go above 140... which is what I think these things can do without the limiter. But yeah, what you said about the options that allowed to sell the car without a governor.
they were V rated Michelins, v rated goes up to 149MPH..

I still have the original spare in my Trep



the 300M Special came with z rated tires....z rating being over 149 MPH


right now I have T-rated on my Trep, since I don't plan on driving it over 100,


and I have Y rated tires on my Special...just in case....LOL



Beginning in 1991, the speed symbol denoting a fixed maximum speed capability of new tires must be shown only in the speed rating portion of the tire's service description, such as 225/50R16 89S. The most common tire speed rating symbols, maximum speeds and typical applications are shown below:

M 81 mph 130 km/h
N 87 mph 140km/h Temporary Spare Tires
P 93 mph 150 km/h
Q 99 mph 160 km/h Studless & Studdable Winter Tires
R 106 mph 170 km/h H.D. Light Truck Tires
S 112 mph 180 km/h Family Sedans & Vans
T 118 mph 190 km/h Family Sedans & Vans
U 124 mph 200 km/h
H 130 mph 210 km/h Sport Sedans & Coupes
V 149 mph 240 km/h Sport Sedans, Coupes & Sports Cars

When Z-speed rated tires were first introduced, they were thought to reflect the highest tire speed rating that would ever be required, in excess of 240 km/h or 149 mph. While Z-speed rated tires are capable of speeds in excess of 149 mph, how far above 149 mph was not identified. That ultimately caused the automotive industry to add W- and Y-speed ratings to identify the tires that meet the needs of new vehicles that have extremely high top-speed capabilities.

W 168 mph 270 km/h Exotic Sports Cars
Y 186 mph 300 km/h Exotic Sports Cars

While a Z-speed rating still often appears in the tire size designation of these tires, such as 225/50ZR16 91W, the Z in the size signifies a maximum speed capability in excess of 149 mph, 240 km/h; the W in the service description indicates the tire's 168 mph, 270 km/h maximum speed.

225/50ZR16 in excess of 149 mph, 240 km/h
205/45ZR17 88W 168 mph, 270 km/h
285/35ZR19 99Y 186 mph, 300 km/h

Most recently, when the Y-speed rating indicated in a service description is enclosed in parentheses, such as 285/35ZR19 (99Y), the top speed of the tire has been tested in excess of 186 mph, 300 km/h indicated by the service description as shown below:

285/35ZR19 99Y 186 mph, 300 km/h
285/35ZR19 (99Y) in excess of 186 mph, 300 km/h

As vehicles have increased their top speeds into Autobahn-only ranges, the tire speed ratings have evolved to better identify the tires capability, allowing drivers to match the speed of their tires with the top speed of their vehicle.
 
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